1/210 0.3-1.32 jd 关于电影奥德赛，09-04 19:53:07-09-04 19:53:08About the movie Odyssey,
2/210 1.56-3.84 n 今天咱们聊一个很多人都忽视的话题，09-04 19:53:08-09-04 19:53:11Today, let's talk about a topic that many people overlook.
3/210 4.44-8.1 hp 奥德修斯的儿子特伦马克斯这个角色争议是比较大的。09-04 19:53:09-09-04 19:53:14The character of Telemachus, son of Odysseus, is a controversial one.
4/210 8.46-11.94 jd 我觉得主要问题还不是出在霍兰德的表演上，09-04 19:53:10-09-04 19:53:12I don't think the main problem is Holland's performance.
5/210 12.3-13.8 bg 而是出在编剧层面。09-04 19:53:10-09-04 19:53:44The problem lies in the scriptwriting.
6/210 14.34-16.68 de 我们先整理一下特罗马克斯的基本情况。09-04 19:53:11-09-04 19:53:49Let's start by outlining the basics of Trombone.
7/210 17.22-20.1 aaa 奥德修斯离开伊萨卡远征特洛伊的时候，09-04 19:58:13-09-04 19:58:15When Odysseus left Ithaca for his journey to Troy,
8/210 20.22-21.3 n 他还在襁褓之中，09-04 19:53:12-09-04 19:53:14He was still an infant.
9/210 21.66-23.34 n 等到电影故事开始启动。09-04 19:53:13-09-04 19:53:15Once the movie story starts.
10/210 23.64-25.2 jd 这个孩子已经二十出头了，09-04 19:53:14-09-04 19:53:15This child is already in his twenties.
11/210 25.56-28.44 hp 他的父亲离开家整整二十多年。09-04 19:53:14-09-04 19:53:18His father has been away from home for over twenty years.
12/210 29.04-29.52 n 也就是说，09-04 19:53:15-09-04 19:53:16That is to say,
13/210 30.04-33.43 n 克罗马克思的人生记忆里根本不存在父亲这个形象。09-04 19:53:16-09-04 19:53:18There is no image of a father in Kromak's life memories.
14/210 33.97-36.91 jd 那他对于父亲应该是什么样的一种感情呢？09-04 19:53:16-09-04 19:53:18What kind of emotion should he have towards his father?
15/210 37.51-38.35 xss 在他的记忆里，09-04 19:53:17-09-04 19:54:21In his memory,
16/210 38.41-40.09 de 他没有跟这个男人吃过一顿饭，09-04 19:53:18-09-04 19:53:48He has never eaten a meal with this man.
17/210 40.45-41.59 n 没有被这个人抱过，09-04 19:53:19-09-04 19:53:20Never been held by this person.
18/210 41.83-43.51 aaa 没有任何父子相处的时刻。09-04 19:53:19-09-04 19:53:21There are no moments of father and son interaction.
19/210 44.11-45.07 jd 从心理学上讲，09-04 19:53:20-09-04 19:53:21From a psychological perspective,
20/210 45.25-47.23 n 父亲对于他来说完全缺位，09-04 19:53:21-09-04 19:53:22Father was completely absent in his life.
21/210 47.83-49.93 hp 他很难对他有一种天然的深情。09-04 19:53:21-09-04 19:53:25He finds it difficult to naturally feel deep affection for him.
22/210 50.47-52.87 n 他所认识的父亲只是一个传说，09-04 19:53:22-09-04 19:53:24The father he knew was just a legend.
23/210 53.17-54.43 aaa 是别人嘴里的故事，09-04 19:53:23-09-04 19:53:26It's a story told by others.
24/210 54.97-55.45 jd 战神了，09-04 19:53:25-09-04 19:53:26God of War,
25/210 55.63-56.05 n 英雄了，09-04 19:53:25-09-04 19:53:26Heroic,
26/210 56.23-56.83 n 智者等等。09-04 19:53:26-09-04 19:53:27Wise men and others.
27/210 57.13-57.43 hp 可是，09-04 19:53:27-09-04 19:53:28However,
28/210 57.55-60.26 aaa 当他逐渐成年王位尽在支持，09-04 19:53:27-09-04 19:53:29As he gradually matured, the throne was in his grasp.
29/210 60.65-63.05 jd 像所有等待接班的富二代一样，09-04 19:53:28-09-04 19:53:30Like all the young heirs waiting for their turn,
30/210 63.41-66.29 n 这些传说就会构成巨大的压力和焦虑。09-04 19:53:29-09-04 19:53:31These legends will create a huge amount of pressure and anxiety.
31/210 66.84-68.22 n 他想要效仿的同时，09-04 19:53:29-09-04 19:53:31He wanted to emulate,
32/210 68.72-70.67 hp 也让他对父亲产生某种怨恨。09-04 19:53:30-09-04 19:53:33It also made him resent his father.
33/210 71.56-72.58 aaa 因为父亲的缺失，09-04 19:53:31-09-04 19:53:32Because of the absence of my father,
34/210 73.02-76.02 jd 不仅仅是自己失去了父亲的陪伴和教导，09-04 19:53:31-09-04 19:53:33Not only did I lose the companionship and guidance of my father,
35/210 76.76-79.25 n 而且还引来了大量的求婚人，09-04 19:53:32-09-04 19:53:35And it also attracted a large number of suitors.
36/210 79.55-81.23 n 觊觎这本该属于他的王位，09-04 19:53:33-09-04 19:53:35He coveted the throne that was rightfully his.
37/210 81.68-83.06 aaa 他们还使劲儿欺负他，09-04 19:53:33-09-04 19:53:34They continued to bully him.
38/210 83.3-83.659 hp 羞辱他，09-04 19:53:34-09-04 19:53:36Embarrass him,
39/210 83.96-84.92 jd 甚至想杀了他。09-04 19:53:35-09-04 19:53:36I even wanted to kill him.
40/210 85.8-89.88 aaa 于是他对父亲很可能会形成一种典型的矛盾心理。09-04 19:53:35-09-04 19:53:38Therefore, he is likely to develop a typical contradictory psychology towards his father.
41/210 90.27-92.5 n 一方面他可能很崇拜他啊，09-04 19:53:36-09-04 19:53:41On the one hand, he might be very admiring of him.
42/210 92.74-97.12 n 因为这个理想化的父亲可以象征性的帮他应付乱局。09-04 19:53:37-09-04 19:53:41Because this idealized father can symbolically help him cope with the chaos.
43/210 97.59-102.78 jd 但另一方面啊潜意识里他会被积压着一种被抛弃的怨恨。09-04 19:53:37-09-04 19:53:41However, on the other hand, he was subconsciously harboring a suppressed resentment towards those who had abandoned him.
44/210 103.53-106.17 hp 心理学中有一个叫做摸不性丧失的概念。09-04 19:53:38-09-04 19:53:42In psychology, there is a concept called anosognosia.
45/210 106.51-108.49 aaa 当一个人既存在又不存在时，09-04 19:53:39-09-04 19:53:41When a person exists and does not exist at the same time,
46/210 108.67-109.51 n 比如说失踪啊，09-04 19:53:41-09-04 19:53:43For example, missing persons.
47/210 109.69-110.17 n 长期分离。09-04 19:53:42-09-04 19:53:43Long-term separation.
48/210 110.67-112.589 jd 那么你的哀伤就无法完成。09-04 19:53:43-09-04 19:53:44Then your grief will not be fulfilled.
49/210 113.92-115.18 aaa 特朗马克斯的父亲没有死，09-04 19:53:43-09-04 19:53:45Trantax's father is still alive.
50/210 115.36-119.1 hp 只是不在那孩子无法像失去亲人那样完成哀悼，09-04 19:53:44-09-04 19:53:50Just that the child cannot grieve in the same way as a person who has lost a loved one.
51/210 119.4-120.84 n 也就无法彻底放下。09-04 19:53:45-09-04 19:53:47Therefore, it cannot be completely let go.
52/210 121.35-124.53 n 这种未完成感会持续多年啊，09-04 19:53:45-09-04 19:53:48This feeling of incompleteness will last for many years.
53/210 124.77-125.79 bg 让他反复的纠结，09-04 19:53:46-09-04 19:54:11Make him repeatedly hesitate,
54/210 126.26-127.34 jd 父亲到底爱不爱我。09-04 19:53:47-09-04 19:53:48Does my father really love me?
55/210 127.74-128.58 aaa 在这个过程中，09-04 19:53:47-09-04 19:53:48During this process,
56/210 128.94-131.64 n 这个孩子也会遇到身份认同的危机，09-04 19:53:48-09-04 19:53:50This child will also encounter an identity crisis.
57/210 132.14-133.94 de 他的心理很可能是撕裂的，09-04 19:53:49-09-04 19:54:13His mind was likely torn apart.
58/210 134.23-138.01 n 这种撕裂才是充满戏剧性张力的地方。09-04 19:53:49-09-04 19:53:51This is where the drama and tension really lie.
59/210 138.99-140.91 jd 但是诺兰的剧本是怎么写？09-04 19:53:50-09-04 19:53:52But how did Nolan write his scripts?
60/210 141.09-141.99 de 特勒马克思的呢？09-04 19:53:51-09-04 19:54:13What about Threlkeld?
61/210 142.42-148.25 hp 电影里霍兰德所饰演的是一个有些幼稚和冲动的阳光大男孩，09-04 19:53:52-09-04 19:53:59In the movie, Holland plays a somewhat naive and impulsive young boy with an optimistic personality.
62/210 148.74-150.64 n 他爱慕着父亲啊，09-04 19:53:53-09-04 19:53:54He loves his father.
63/210 150.82-155.62 n 他人生几乎全部的动机就是紧紧的抓住父亲可能还活着。09-04 19:53:53-09-04 19:53:59His entire life was driven by the unwavering desire to keep his father alive, even if he thought that he might still be.
64/210 156.13-158.91 jd 这个威茫的念头拼命的去寻找他，09-04 19:53:54-09-04 19:53:56This crazy idea made him desperately search for him.
65/210 159.37-160.39 aaa 这就是问题所在。09-04 19:53:55-09-04 19:53:56That's the problem.
66/210 160.81-162.55 n 咱们捋一捋奥德修斯的缺失，09-04 19:53:55-09-04 19:53:59Let's consider the missing parts of Odysseus' journey,
67/210 163.06-164.32 jd 给儿子留下了什么？09-04 19:53:57-09-04 19:53:59What did I leave for my son?
68/210 165.02-165.26 aaa 第一，09-04 19:53:57-09-04 19:53:59First,
69/210 165.44-166.46 aaa 家产被掏空了，09-04 19:54:00-09-04 19:54:01The assets have been drained,
70/210 167.16-168.42 hp 那么多的求婚者，09-04 19:54:00-09-04 19:54:02So many suitors,
71/210 168.78-169.8 jd 盘踞在王宫里，09-04 19:54:01-09-04 19:54:02Located in the palace,
72/210 169.98-171.2 n 日夜吃喝啊，09-04 20:04:06-09-04 20:04:08Eat and drink day and night,
73/210 171.38-172.82 n 把家产可着劲儿的造，09-04 19:54:02-09-04 19:54:04Build up your assets diligently,
74/210 172.94-175.1 n 这可不是家里来了几个讨厌的亲戚。09-04 19:54:03-09-04 19:54:05This is not just a few annoying relatives coming over.
75/210 175.62-178.08 aaa 这是家族产业被持续掏空。09-04 19:54:04-09-04 19:54:05This is the family business being drained.
76/210 178.84-182.46 jd 第二是王位被人惦记那些求婚者涂的，09-04 19:54:04-09-04 19:54:06Second, the throne is coveted by those who are courting.
77/210 182.58-184.56 hp 根本不是佩涅罗佩的美貌。09-04 19:54:05-09-04 19:54:08It's not Penelope's beauty.
78/210 185.12-189.2 n 他们要通过取他来获得继承伊萨卡王权的合法性。09-04 19:54:06-09-04 19:54:09They need to obtain the throne of Isaca by taking him.
79/210 189.76-191.56 aaa 在盒马时代的政治逻辑里，09-04 19:54:06-09-04 19:54:08In the political logic of Hema,
80/210 191.93-193.55 n 实力永远大于血统，09-04 19:54:07-09-04 19:54:09Strength always outweighs bloodline,
81/210 194.07-196.53 jd 无能的继承人随时会被干掉。09-04 19:54:08-09-04 19:54:09The incompetent heir will be killed at any time.
82/210 197.34-199.02 aaa 然后就是他本人被羞辱，09-04 19:54:08-09-04 19:54:10Then, he was humiliated by himself.
83/210 199.4-202.4 hp 求婚者在宫殿里当众羞辱这位少年王子，09-04 19:54:09-09-04 19:54:13The suitor publicly humiliated the young prince in the palace.
84/210 202.8-203.34 n 他愤怒，09-04 19:54:10-09-04 19:54:11He is angry.
85/210 203.88-204.36 n 他无助，09-04 19:54:10-09-04 19:54:11He is helpless.
86/210 205.3-206.62 jd 他十分的无能为力。09-04 19:54:11-09-04 19:54:12He was completely helpless.
87/210 207.18-211.38 aaa 一个二十多岁的年轻人眼睁睁的看着自家被一群外人糟蹋，09-04 19:54:12-09-04 19:54:14A young man in his twenties watched helplessly as a group of strangers vandalized his home.
88/210 211.74-213.12 n 而原因只有一个，09-04 19:54:12-09-04 19:54:13The only reason is,
89/210 213.63-214.89 bg 他爹没有回来，09-04 19:54:13-09-04 19:54:43His father didn't come back.
90/210 215.51-217.74 n 甚至他的生命都是不安全。09-04 19:54:14-09-04 19:54:15Even his life is unsafe.
91/210 218.27-221.04 jd 后来的求婚者啊就准备伏击啊，09-04 19:54:14-09-04 19:54:16Later, the suitors would ambush.
92/210 221.4-223.14 de 甚至要杀死特朗马克斯。09-04 19:54:15-09-04 19:54:44Even kill Trammeks.
93/210 223.56-225.18 hp 所以你看对特勒马克思而言，09-04 19:54:16-09-04 19:54:19So, for Thiel and Musk,
94/210 225.49-229.01 n 这个父亲带给他的首先是各种各样的伤害，09-04 19:54:16-09-04 19:54:18The first thing this father brought was a variety of harms.
95/210 229.43-232.46 de 其次才是血缘多年的失落。09-04 19:54:17-09-04 19:54:59The next is the loss of family members over many years.
96/210 232.88-236.88 aaa 羞辱困境危机根源就是父亲不在这种情况。09-04 19:54:18-09-04 19:54:21The root cause of the shame and crisis is that there's no father in this situation.
97/210 237.0-241.02 n 下一个正常的人类的心理反应应该是复杂的矛盾的。09-04 19:54:18-09-04 19:54:21The next normal human reaction should be complex and contradictory.
98/210 241.66-244.36 jd 父亲因为缺失而被他理想化，09-04 19:54:19-09-04 19:54:21My father was idealized because of his absence.
99/210 244.78-247.54 n 但父亲也因为缺失而让他十分怨恨。09-04 19:54:20-09-04 19:54:23However, my father was also very resentful because of the missing part.
100/210 248.04-249.31 hp 你是我爸啊，09-04 19:54:20-09-04 19:54:23You are my dad.
101/210 249.55-250.93 aaa 但你也是彻底的陌生人，09-04 19:54:21-09-04 19:54:23But you are also a complete stranger.
102/210 251.17-252.61 jd 我并不真正认识你，09-04 19:54:22-09-04 19:54:24I don't really know you.
103/210 253.04-254.42 n 你给了我王子的身份，09-04 19:54:23-09-04 19:54:24You gave me the identity of a prince,
104/210 254.8-256.66 xss 我也因为这个身份差点被杀，09-04 19:54:23-09-04 19:56:03I almost died because of this identity.
105/210 257.35-259.329 n 你的传说压的我喘不过气。09-04 19:54:24-09-04 19:54:25Your legend makes me breathless.
106/210 259.81-261.85 hp 我想证明我不是你的影子，09-04 19:54:25-09-04 19:54:28I want to prove that I am not your shadow.
107/210 262.03-263.23 aaa 我有我自己的存在，09-04 19:54:25-09-04 19:54:26I have my own existence.
108/210 264.03-267.87 jd 这才是一个没有父亲记忆的儿子应该有的情感结构。09-04 19:54:26-09-04 19:54:29This is the emotional structure that a son should have when he has no memory of his father.
109/210 268.83-270.51 n 而诺兰在编剧上的问题是，09-04 19:54:27-09-04 19:54:29The problem with Nolan is that he...
110/210 270.94-274.48 n 基本把特勒马克思写成了一个单纯恋父的儿子。09-04 19:54:27-09-04 19:54:31He portrayed the character of Tremaine as a simple-minded son who was obsessed with his father.
111/210 275.07-277.77 xss 可是这违背了人物的基本心理逻辑。09-04 20:04:30-09-04 20:06:47However, this contradicts the basic psychological logic of the characters.
112/210 278.2-280.42 aaa 一个从未与父亲相处过的儿子，09-04 19:54:29-09-04 19:54:31A son who has never had any contact with his father.
113/210 280.9-281.98 hp 一个被父亲的缺席，09-04 19:54:29-09-04 19:54:32A father's absence,
114/210 282.16-283.6 jd 害得差点丧命的儿子。09-04 19:54:30-09-04 19:54:31The son almost died.
115/210 283.96-287.14 n 一个常言必须独自面对王权危机的儿子。09-04 19:54:31-09-04 19:54:33A son who must face the crisis of power alone.
116/210 287.5-290.75 aaa 他最可能的情感不是我一定要找到爸爸，09-04 19:54:31-09-04 19:54:34The most likely emotion he has is not that I must find my father,
117/210 290.93-293.09 jd 而是我自己也能活啊，09-04 19:54:32-09-04 19:54:33But I can also live,
118/210 293.45-295.07 n 凭什么我要等候你，09-04 19:54:33-09-04 19:54:34Why should I wait for you?
119/210 295.25-295.67 hp 寻找你？09-04 19:54:33-09-04 19:54:36Looking for you?
120/210 296.12-298.16 n 你的传说也成了我的牢笼，09-04 19:54:34-09-04 19:54:35Your legend has become my prison.
121/210 298.46-300.26 jd 我凭什么要活成你的续集？09-04 19:54:35-09-04 19:54:37Why should I live as your sequel?
122/210 301.05-303.51 n 但这些情绪电影里几乎都没有表达。09-04 19:54:36-09-04 19:54:38However, these emotional films almost do not express them.
123/210 304.32-304.68 n 说实话，09-04 19:54:37-09-04 19:54:38Honestly,
124/210 305.22-306.42 hp 霍兰德作为一个演员，09-04 19:54:38-09-04 19:54:40Holland as an actor,
125/210 306.72-308.76 aaa 他给出的是剧本要求的东西，09-04 19:54:38-09-04 19:54:39He provided the script requirements.
126/210 309.27-312.33 jd 一个执着于寻父的单纯勇敢的王子。09-04 19:54:39-09-04 19:54:41A naive and brave prince who is obsessed with finding his father.
127/210 312.78-314.82 n 但观众觉得这个角色扁平啊，09-04 19:54:40-09-04 19:54:42But the audience felt that this character was flat.
128/210 315.06-316.08 n 全是对父亲的仰望，09-04 19:54:40-09-04 19:54:42All for the father,
129/210 316.26-317.63 aaa 像个舔狗这个锅，09-04 19:54:41-09-04 19:54:42Like a dog licking the pot,
130/210 317.93-320.33 hp 该编剧背而不该演员来背，09-04 19:54:42-09-04 19:54:46The screenwriter should not memorize the lines, but rather let the actors learn them.
131/210 320.93-324.1 jd 因为剧本就没有给他写出矛盾和深度。09-04 19:54:42-09-04 19:54:45Because the script didn't give him the opportunity to create conflict and depth.
132/210 324.77-327.35 n 错的是编剧把一个没有父亲记忆，09-04 19:54:43-09-04 19:54:47The mistake is that the screenwriter made a character who has no memory of his father.
133/210 327.7-330.85 n 却被父亲深刻改变了一生的复杂灵魂，09-04 19:54:44-09-04 19:54:47However, he was profoundly changed by his father's complex soul throughout his life.
134/210 331.4-335.3 aaa 写成了恋父情节下的扁平的功能性的人物。09-04 19:54:44-09-04 19:54:47The characters are flat and functional, developed primarily through the lens of a father-child relationship.
135/210 335.78-341.63 bg 特勒马克思在诺兰的剧本里承担的是心理学家雷卡尔蒂所说的特朗马克思。09-04 19:54:45-09-04 19:55:56In Nolan's script, Teller plays the psychologist Recker.
136/210 341.81-345.15 de 情节啊就是尽管父亲有欺诈性，09-04 19:54:46-09-04 19:55:22The plot is that even though the father has a fraudulent nature,
137/210 345.64-348.74 jd 但仍寻求可以从父亲那里继承的东西。09-04 19:54:46-09-04 19:54:49But still seeking something to inherit from their father.
138/210 349.26-350.58 hp 他不是要推翻父亲，09-04 19:54:47-09-04 19:54:50He is not trying to overthrow his father.
139/210 350.7-353.68 n 而是要从父亲那里找到还可以继承的精神。09-04 19:54:48-09-04 19:54:51Instead, we need to find the spirit of inheritance from our father.
140/210 354.46-357.4 aaa 这就是为什么电影里特勒马克思的那句台词，09-04 19:54:48-09-04 19:54:51That's why the line from Terrence Malick in the movie,
141/210 357.58-358.72 n 我不知道他在哪里，09-04 19:54:49-09-04 19:54:51I don't know where he is.
142/210 359.1-360.78 jd 但我现在知道他是谁了，09-04 19:54:50-09-04 19:54:51But now I know who he is.
143/210 361.19-364.79 hp 会成为啊这个年轻的王子人物湖光的一个总结。09-04 19:54:51-09-04 19:54:54He will become a prominent figure in the Lake District.
144/210 365.88-366.48 n 那也因此，09-04 19:54:51-09-04 19:54:52That's why,
145/210 366.84-370.2 aaa 电影中霍兰德扮演的角色就是一个寻父的工具，09-04 19:54:52-09-04 19:54:55In the movie, Holland's character is a tool for finding his father.
146/210 370.26-371.7 n 人并不出彩，09-04 19:54:53-09-04 19:54:54People are not outstanding.
147/210 372.8-375.86 jd 但如果他拥有了没有父亲记忆的儿子，09-04 19:54:53-09-04 19:54:56But if he had a son who didn't have a father's memory,
148/210 376.1-377.18 n 应该有的情感结构，09-04 19:54:54-09-04 19:54:56The expected emotional structure,
149/210 377.66-385.52 n 那么特勒马克斯的悬复线跟奥德修斯的回乡线是有可能产生奇妙的化学反应的。09-04 19:54:55-09-04 19:55:00Then, the "Tale of Telemachus" and Odysseus's "Return Journey" could potentially have a magical chemical reaction.
150/210 385.9-388.6 hp 这样两条线索就真正的交织在一起了，09-04 19:54:56-09-04 19:54:59These two leads have finally converged,
151/210 388.93-391.12 aaa 现在基本是两条平行的故事线。09-04 19:54:56-09-04 19:54:59Currently, there are essentially two parallel storylines.
152/210 392.15-393.59 n 电影是矛盾的艺术，09-04 19:54:57-09-04 19:54:59Movies are an art of contradictions.
153/210 393.71-396.05 jd 是表现矛盾和解决矛盾的艺术。09-04 19:54:58-09-04 19:54:59It is the art of expressing and resolving contradictions.
154/210 396.51-399.33 aaa 一个对父亲怀有复杂矛盾的情绪，09-04 19:55:00-09-04 19:55:02A complex mix of emotions towards his father,
155/210 399.63-400.17 hp 带着崇拜，09-04 19:55:01-09-04 19:55:03With reverence,
156/210 400.35-402.57 de 却也带着深深的怨恨的儿子，09-04 19:55:01-09-04 19:55:42The son, however, was filled with deep resentment.
157/210 403.0-404.98 n 会让父子戏更精彩，09-04 19:55:02-09-04 19:55:04Make the father-son drama more exciting.
158/210 405.73-406.51 jd 更富有张力。09-04 19:55:03-09-04 19:55:04More suspenseful.
159/210 407.15-409.37 n 比如最初儿子对父亲是纠结的、09-04 19:55:03-09-04 19:55:05For example, the son was initially conflicted towards his father.
160/210 409.55-409.91 aaa 怨恨的、09-04 19:55:04-09-04 19:55:05Resentment,
161/210 410.03-410.45 hp 矛盾的，09-04 19:55:05-09-04 19:55:07Contradictory,
162/210 410.72-412.19 jd 甚至隐隐带着敌意的。09-04 19:55:05-09-04 19:55:07Even with a hint of hostility.
163/210 413.14-415.24 n 在父母联手啊，09-04 19:55:06-09-04 19:55:07In collaboration with parents,
164/210 415.66-418.82 aaa 公在选序血洗王宫的战役中开始时，09-04 19:55:07-09-04 19:55:09When the public began to participate in the battle for the blood-stained palace,
165/210 418.94-420.26 n 他可能会做臂上关，09-04 19:55:07-09-04 19:55:09He might do an arm workout.
166/210 420.62-423.65 jd 但在关键时刻强力反转终于和解。09-04 19:55:08-09-04 19:55:09But the powerful turnaround finally brought reconciliation.
167/210 424.01-424.25 hp 最后，09-04 19:55:09-09-04 19:55:10Finally,
168/210 424.37-425.75 n 父子二人并肩携手，09-04 19:55:09-09-04 19:55:12Father and son walked side by side,
169/210 425.93-428.52 n 像所有天下的父子那样共欲外物。09-04 19:55:10-09-04 19:55:14Like all the fathers and sons in the world, they wanted to get something out of it.
170/210 429.24-437.68 aaa 电影里则是父子关系中啊本该可以爆发的这种心理张力质问和解的反转啊，09-04 19:55:11-09-04 19:55:15In the movie, there is a psychological tension between father and son that should have exploded in their relationship, such as questioning and reconciliation.
171/210 437.86-441.28 de 被单纯的练腹意识和动作戏的爽感取代了。09-04 20:00:12-09-04 20:00:26Replaced by the simple feeling of abdominal exercises and action scenes.
172/210 441.91-444.01 jd 当然诺兰没有写这些啊，09-04 19:55:12-09-04 19:55:14Of course, Nolan didn't write these.
173/210 444.19-445.15 hp 或许有他的考虑。09-04 19:55:13-09-04 19:55:15Maybe he has his reasons.
174/210 445.27-445.69 n 我猜想，09-04 19:55:13-09-04 19:55:14I guess,
175/210 446.24-446.95 jd 第一啊，09-04 19:55:14-09-04 19:55:15First,
176/210 447.31-448.929 n 如果这样塑造特勒马克思，09-04 19:55:15-09-04 19:55:18If this is how to shape the character of Terramax,
177/210 449.05-450.79 n 那势必要再增加戏份，09-04 19:55:16-09-04 19:55:18He absolutely had to increase his screen time.
178/210 451.33-453.82 aaa 但影片本身已经长达三个小时了。09-04 19:55:16-09-04 19:55:18However, the video itself is already three hours long.
179/210 454.24-455.68 jd 诺兰选择的是作减法，09-04 19:55:17-09-04 19:55:19Nolan chose subtraction.
180/210 455.98-458.62 hp 把儿子的线简化成巡父和继承，09-04 19:55:18-09-04 19:55:22Simplify the son's line into paternal lineage and inheritance.
181/210 458.96-462.08 n 把复杂性全部压在了奥德修斯一个人身上。09-04 19:55:19-09-04 19:55:21Concentrate all the complexity on one person, Odysseus.
182/210 462.85-463.09 aaa 第二，09-04 19:55:20-09-04 19:55:20Second,
183/210 463.68-465.6 n 反战才是压倒一切的主题，09-04 19:55:20-09-04 19:55:22Anti-war is the overriding theme.
184/210 466.09-468.48 jd 复杂的父仔系会稀释这一点。09-04 19:55:21-09-04 19:55:23This will dilute the parent-child relationship.
185/210 468.66-471.18 aaa 尽管父子恩仇和反战主题也有关，09-04 19:55:22-09-04 19:55:24Despite the themes of father-son vendetta and anti-war,
186/210 471.64-473.649 n 但这关联还是有一些迂会。09-04 19:55:22-09-04 19:55:24However, there is still some ambiguity in this relationship.
187/210 474.44-475.61 hp 第三呃，09-04 19:55:23-09-04 19:55:25Third,
188/210 476.09-481.61 de 最重要的是诺兰给反战找到的一个强有力的情感支点和兼顾堡垒，09-04 19:55:24-09-04 19:56:00The most important thing Nolan has given to the anti-war movement is a strong emotional anchor and a balance between fortress and vulnerability.
189/210 482.03-482.57 n 就是家庭。09-04 19:55:24-09-04 19:55:25It's a family.
190/210 483.91-486.37 jd 所谓待人如己的宙思法则，09-04 19:55:25-09-04 19:55:28As for the principle of "treating others as you are," the Zhisheng principle,
191/210 486.49-490.27 aaa 就是把这种家人般的美好给予客人给予世界。09-04 19:55:26-09-04 19:55:28Share this kind of family-like goodness with guests and the world.
192/210 490.84-491.38 n 反过来说，09-04 19:55:26-09-04 19:55:27In other words,
193/210 491.56-494.64 hp 客人也就必须像家人般有爱的来对待主人。09-04 19:55:27-09-04 19:55:31Guests must be treated with love and care, just like family members.
194/210 495.28-497.5 n 发起特洛伊战争的阿加门农，09-04 19:55:28-09-04 19:55:31Agamemnon, who initiated the Trojan War,
195/210 498.01-499.99 n 首先破坏的是他自己的家庭，09-04 19:55:28-09-04 19:55:31First, it destroys his own family.
196/210 500.17-501.55 jd 他亲手杀了女儿献祭。09-04 19:55:29-09-04 19:55:31He killed his daughter himself and sacrificed her.
197/210 502.03-502.27 aaa 最终，09-04 19:55:30-09-04 19:55:30Finally,
198/210 502.45-504.43 aaa 凯旋之日又被妻子所杀。09-04 19:55:31-09-04 19:55:33He was killed on the day of his victory.
199/210 505.17-505.35 jd 当然，09-04 19:55:32-09-04 19:55:32Of course,
200/210 505.47-507.51 n 他的妻子又被他的儿子复仇，09-04 19:55:32-09-04 19:55:34His wife was avenged by his son.
201/210 507.81-508.41 n 再次杀掉。09-04 19:55:33-09-04 19:55:34Kill again.
202/210 509.43-509.79 hp 就这样，09-04 19:55:34-09-04 19:55:36That's it,
203/210 510.03-511.41 jd 家破人亡而作为。09-04 19:55:34-09-04 19:55:36To be ruined and to lose one's family.
204/210 511.53-514.11 aaa 跟阿加门农截然相反的典型，09-04 19:55:35-09-04 19:55:36A typical contrast to Agamenon,
205/210 514.62-517.67 n 奥德修斯的家庭彼此之间只有思念，09-04 19:55:36-09-04 19:55:38Odysseus's family only had each other for comfort.
206/210 517.969-518.75 n 只有关切，09-04 19:55:36-09-04 19:55:37Only caring,
207/210 518.99-519.53 hp 只有爱意。09-04 19:55:37-09-04 19:55:39Only love.
208/210 520.07-521.81 jd 这不是家庭的真实状况，09-04 19:55:38-09-04 19:55:39This is not a real family situation.
209/210 522.23-524.87 aaa 而是一个被理想化的小乌托邦。09-04 19:55:38-09-04 19:55:40And it is a utopian ideal.
210/210 525.34-530.9 n 但是从这个小乌托邦可以找到反对战争的一切理由。09-04 19:55:39-09-04 19:55:42However, from this little utopia, all reasons for opposing war can be found.