1/293 0.15-3.33 bg 今天我们来聊一个当代学龄的巨大八卦啊,09-06 01:32:02-09-06 01:32:59Today, let's talk about a huge gossip in the current academic world.
2/293 3.51-5.91 n 涉及季羡林和钱钟书之间的恩怨,09-06 01:32:03-09-06 01:32:05Involving the rivalry between Qi Xianlin and Qian Zhongshu,
3/293 6.09-6.81 aaa 有庞吉、09-06 01:32:04-09-06 01:32:05There are many people,
4/293 7.05-7.47 n 陈寅恪、09-06 01:37:07-09-06 01:37:08Chen Inkref,
5/293 7.71-10.17 xss 胡思之于浅山等学术巨博。09-06 01:32:06-09-06 01:32:53Hu Si is a great scholar, like the famous scholars of Ashan.
6/293 10.59-12.39 aaa 怎么会发现这个学术八卦的呢?09-06 01:32:07-09-06 01:32:09How did you find out about this academic gossip?
7/293 12.45-16.05 n 是我在读季羡林的那篇文章当中发现他说了这么一句话,09-06 01:32:08-09-06 01:32:10I found a sentence in the article I was reading about Qi Xianlin,
8/293 16.29-18.21 de 他说这个学者根本就不懂历史。09-06 01:32:08-09-06 01:32:40He said that the scholar didn't understand history at all.
9/293 18.69-20.79 aaa 当然他这句话是有前后语境的,09-06 01:32:09-09-06 01:32:11Of course, this sentence has a context.
10/293 20.97-21.33 n 之前呢,09-06 01:32:11-09-06 01:32:11Previously,
11/293 21.39-24.27 hp 他是为陈寅恪的一个学术观点做辩护。09-06 01:32:11-09-06 01:32:16He is defending a scholarly viewpoint of Chen Yinke.
12/293 24.57-28.17 de 那么陈云恪这个学术观点呢受到了另外一位学者的批评。09-06 01:32:12-09-06 01:32:59Then, the academic view of Chen Yunke was criticized by another scholar.
13/293 28.71-31.3 aaa 那么季羡林在为陈学辩护的过程当中,09-06 01:32:13-09-06 01:32:16So, when Qi Xianlin was defending Chen Xuelin,
14/293 31.54-34.3 n 就指责另外一位学者根本就不懂历史。09-06 01:32:14-09-06 01:32:16He accused another scholar of not understanding history at all.
15/293 34.66-36.4 n 这里他虽然没有点名,09-06 01:32:14-09-06 01:32:17Here, he didn't explicitly name anyone.
16/293 36.7-40.78 aaa 但是了解当代文史的看就知道他说的是钱钟书。09-06 01:32:17-09-06 01:32:21However, those who are familiar with contemporary literary history know that he is referring to Qian Zhongshu.
17/293 41.44-43.96 hp 钱钟书虽然是搞文学出身的,09-06 01:32:18-09-06 01:32:21Although Qian Zhongshu is a literary scholar,
18/293 44.08-47.74 n 但是你要说他不懂历史这句话未面是拖大的。09-06 01:32:18-09-06 01:32:23However, saying that he doesn't understand history is an exaggeration.
19/293 48.04-53.32 n 作为学术的宗师巨博在公开的文字当中去指责另外一方,09-06 01:32:19-09-06 01:32:23As a renowned academic, Professor Zhongbo, in his public writings, accused another party.
20/293 53.74-55.9 hp 这让我们觉得是里边肯定有故事。09-06 01:32:22-09-06 01:32:26This makes us feel that there must be a story inside.
21/293 56.26-57.52 n 那我夹出苗头之后,09-06 01:32:24-09-06 01:32:25After I had taken the lead,
22/293 57.7-58.66 aaa 就马上去搜索,09-06 01:32:25-09-06 01:32:26Go ahead and search,
23/293 58.96-59.02 n 哎,09-06 01:32:25-09-06 01:32:26Oh,
24/293 59.32-60.71 n 发现了一点蛛丝马迹。09-06 01:32:26-09-06 01:32:27I found some clues.
25/293 61.08-63.42 aaa 在季羡林的口述回路当中,09-06 01:32:27-09-06 01:32:28In the oral tradition of Tie Xianlin,
26/293 63.54-65.22 hp 他又提起了钱钟书。09-06 01:32:27-09-06 01:32:32He also mentioned Qian Zhongshu.
27/293 65.66-67.93 n 他说当年我们都是清华的,09-06 01:32:28-09-06 01:32:32He said that back then, we were all from Tsinghua University.
28/293 68.05-68.89 n 他比我高一级,09-06 01:32:29-09-06 01:32:31He is one grade higher than me.
29/293 69.18-69.75 aaa 他学英文的,09-06 01:32:29-09-06 01:32:32He is learning English.
30/293 69.81-70.35 hp 我是德文的,09-06 01:32:32-09-06 01:32:34I am German.
31/293 70.56-71.4 aaa 两个人没什么来往。09-06 01:32:33-09-06 01:32:34There is no interaction between the two.
32/293 72.12-74.16 n 钱钟书在清华园里边自命不凡,09-06 01:32:33-09-06 01:32:37Chen Zhongshu, with his arrogance in Tsinghua Garden,
33/293 74.34-75.18 n 以为自己是天才,09-06 01:32:34-09-06 01:32:37Believed himself to be a genius,
34/293 75.42-76.14 aaa 其实也没有。09-06 01:32:35-09-06 01:32:37Actually, there isn't.
35/293 76.52-80.36 hp 他在清华有边之所以出名是黄色小说看的不少。09-06 01:32:36-09-06 01:32:39He is famous in Tsinghua for his yellow novels.
36/293 80.89-81.85 aaa 但我一看这句话,09-06 01:32:38-09-06 01:32:39But when I saw this sentence,
37/293 82.15-84.31 n 就发现里边肯定是有一点故事的。09-06 01:32:39-09-06 01:32:41I found that there was definitely a story inside.
38/293 84.6-88.86 n 如果说之前他为陈一学辩护还是就事论事的话,09-06 01:32:39-09-06 01:32:43If his previous defense of Chen Yixue was purely based on facts,
39/293 88.98-92.6 hp 那这一段话明显就是对前钟树有所贬低。09-06 01:32:40-09-06 01:32:44This passage clearly belittles the previous Zhong Shu.
40/293 92.96-95.66 aaa 那我知道他们两个人之间肯定是有所局遇的。09-06 01:32:41-09-06 01:32:43I know that there must be some problems between the two of them.
41/293 95.9-99.44 n 于是呢我就顺藤摸瓜发现里边是别有洞天。09-06 01:37:42-09-06 01:37:44Then, I followed the clues and discovered a hidden world inside.
42/293 99.679-103.51 de 那么我今天呢从种瓜得瓜开始说起,09-06 01:32:42-09-06 01:33:41So, I'm going to start from the beginning today, with "the fruit of your labor."
43/293 103.93-106.63 n 那个种下瓜的就是陈寅雀的一项研究。09-06 01:32:43-09-06 01:32:46The study that planted melons was conducted by Chen In.
44/293 106.99-108.85 n 关于杨贵妃适配,09-06 01:32:43-09-06 01:32:46Regarding the adaptation of Yang Guifei,
45/293 109.15-109.87 aaa 唐玄宗时,09-06 01:32:44-09-06 01:32:47During the reign of Emperor Xuanzong,
46/293 110.17-111.73 hp 他是否是处子之身,09-06 01:32:46-09-06 01:32:50Was he a virgin?
47/293 111.97-115.03 n 开始讲起杨贵妃在适配唐玄宗之前,09-06 01:32:47-09-06 01:32:52Let's start by talking about Yang Guifei before she was adapted to Tang Xuanzong.
48/293 115.33-118.51 n 曾经是唐玄宗儿子李貌的王妃,09-06 01:32:48-09-06 01:32:52Was once the wife of Li Mao, son of Emperor Xuanzong of Tang.
49/293 118.81-120.97 aaa 后来呢唐玄宗霸占了这个儿媳妇。09-06 01:32:48-09-06 01:32:51Later, Emperor Xuanzong of the Tang Dynasty seized this daughter-in-law.
50/293 121.75-125.29 hp 老子同儿子抢女人在民间称之为爬灰啊,09-06 01:32:51-09-06 01:32:56In folk tales, the old man and his son competing for a woman is called "climbing gray".
51/293 125.47-127.63 aaa 如果用一个文史典故的话呢,09-06 01:32:52-09-06 01:32:53If we were to use a historical anecdote,
52/293 127.75-129.07 n 叫做心台之丑。09-06 01:32:53-09-06 01:32:54Called the Ugly of Heart.
53/293 129.65-131.449 n 前几年金融圈的一位大佬,09-06 01:32:53-09-06 01:32:55A former big shot in the financial world,
54/293 131.75-134.15 xss 他就给我们贡献了一段心台之丑,09-06 01:32:54-09-06 01:33:35He contributed a shameful episode in the history of our city.
55/293 134.73-135.27 aaa 他姓刘。09-06 01:32:55-09-06 01:32:56His name is Liu.
56/293 135.96-136.98 n 那我们言归正传,09-06 01:32:55-09-06 01:32:58Then let's get back to the point.
57/293 137.55-141.33 n 现在我们都是知道杨贵妃在适配唐学东之前,09-06 01:32:56-09-06 01:33:00Before we all knew that Yang Guifei was adapted for Tang Dong,
58/293 141.57-144.36 aaa 曾经是兽王礼貌的妻子。09-06 01:32:57-09-06 01:32:59Used to be a polite wife of the Orc.
59/293 144.82-145.78 hp 那在此之前呢,09-06 01:32:57-09-06 01:32:59Before that,
60/293 145.84-146.68 aaa 是有点争议的,09-06 01:32:59-09-06 01:33:00It is controversial,
61/293 146.799-149.56 bg 因为在旧唐书当中是没有记载这一段,09-06 01:33:00-09-06 01:33:53Because there is no record of this passage in the Old Tang Book,
62/293 149.74-152.2 de 而到新唐书当中是有这一段记载的,09-06 01:33:01-09-06 01:33:29And there is a record of this in the New Tang Dynasty.
63/293 152.59-154.09 hp 那么就引发了一点争议。09-06 01:33:01-09-06 01:33:04This has caused some controversy.
64/293 154.33-157.51 n 那么陈寅恪呢在元白师见证稿当中,09-06 01:33:02-09-06 01:33:06So, in the Chen Yinke's "Meeting with Yuan and Shi" manuscript,
65/293 157.75-159.25 aaa 对此呢做了一点考证。09-06 01:33:03-09-06 01:33:06I've done some research on this.
66/293 159.61-163.15 n 那么这个考证呢就引发了后来的一连串的争议。09-06 01:33:04-09-06 01:33:06This examination then triggered a series of controversies.
67/293 163.51-164.17 hp 一九七八年,09-06 01:33:06-09-06 01:33:091978,
68/293 164.35-166.15 aaa 中国恢复了对外的学术交流。09-06 01:33:07-09-06 01:33:09China has resumed its academic exchanges with the outside world.
69/293 166.39-169.57 n 那么钱钟书呢就去意大利参加欧洲的汉学大会,09-06 01:33:08-09-06 01:33:11Then Qian Zhongshu went to Italy to attend the European Conference on Chinese Studies.
70/293 170.03-172.31 n 在那里他做了一个古典文学研究。09-06 01:33:08-09-06 01:33:10There, he did classical literature research.
71/293 172.49-174.23 hp 在现代中国的主题报告,09-06 01:33:09-09-06 01:33:12In the theme report of modern China,
72/293 174.47-175.37 aaa 在这篇报告当中,09-06 01:33:10-09-06 01:33:11In this report,
73/293 175.43-176.93 n 他就不点名的提及了。09-06 01:33:11-09-06 01:33:13He didn't mention it by name.
74/293 176.99-177.83 aaa 陈寅雀说。09-06 01:33:12-09-06 01:33:13Chen In-tse said.
75/293 178.01-178.55 n 建国之前,09-06 01:33:13-09-06 01:33:14Before the founding of the People's Republic,
76/293 178.67-182.07 hp 有个大学者在那里研究杨贵妃入宫之前,09-06 01:33:13-09-06 01:33:19A scholar was studying Yang Guifei's life before she entered the palace.
77/293 182.19-183.69 n 是否是处女这样一个问题。09-06 01:33:14-09-06 01:33:15The question of virginity.
78/293 183.81-184.95 aaa 那么在钱钟书看来,09-06 01:33:15-09-06 01:33:15In his view,
79/293 185.13-186.75 n 这种研究都是无谓的。09-06 01:33:15-09-06 01:33:17This research is pointless.
80/293 187.18-189.28 n 我把这篇报告呢从头到尾读了一遍。09-06 01:33:16-09-06 01:33:19I read this report from beginning to end.
81/293 189.4-191.86 aaa 我发现它里边真正想要批评的对象,09-06 01:33:17-09-06 01:33:20I found that the real target of criticism was inside.
82/293 192.22-195.82 n 其实是以胡适为代表的实证主义研究文学的范式。09-06 01:33:18-09-06 01:33:20In fact, it is a paradigm of studying literature represented by Hu Shi.
83/293 196.12-198.82 hp 它里边特别提到一九五四年的时候,09-06 01:33:20-09-06 01:33:24It specifically mentions that in 1954,
84/293 198.94-200.44 n 对于于平博的批评,09-06 01:33:21-09-06 01:33:22Regarding the criticism of Pingbo,
85/293 200.84-202.1 aaa 那么了解文史的都知道,09-06 01:33:22-09-06 01:33:22As everyone knows,
86/293 202.41-205.05 n 批评俞明博实际上就是冲着胡适去的。09-06 01:33:22-09-06 01:33:26Criticizing Yu Mingbo is actually a way to criticize Hu Shi.
87/293 205.45-208.33 n 但是呢前钟书里边并没有直接提及胡适,09-06 01:33:23-09-06 01:33:26However, the previous book did not directly mention Hu Shi.
88/293 208.76-210.8 aaa 这里边我想它可能有两种考量。09-06 01:33:24-09-06 01:33:26Here, I think there are two considerations.
89/293 211.1-211.34 hp 第一,09-06 01:33:25-09-06 01:33:26First,
90/293 211.64-212.96 aaa 你跑到欧洲去,09-06 01:33:27-09-06 01:33:28You ran to Europe,
91/293 213.26-215.48 n 还要重复过往的那套说辞的话,09-06 01:33:28-09-06 01:33:30Keep repeating the same old lines,
92/293 215.6-218.77 n 会被人认为你是不自由不独立。09-06 01:33:28-09-06 01:33:31You will be seen as someone who is not free or independent.
93/293 219.01-221.83 hp 那么钱中书呢有欧格伦社到七九年的时候,09-06 01:33:29-09-06 01:33:36So, what about the money book? In Ogle's time from 1790 to 1800,
94/293 221.89-223.69 aaa 他去美国跑到于显森家里边。09-06 01:33:30-09-06 01:33:32He went to the United States and knocked on Yu Xian's door.
95/293 224.14-225.94 de 他也莫名其妙的说了这么一句,09-06 01:33:30-09-06 01:33:53He also inexplicably said this.
96/293 226.0-228.04 n 他说某某人和他的女仆搞不定清,09-06 01:33:31-09-06 01:33:35He said that a certain person and his maid were in disarray.
97/293 228.61-230.38 n 那么这个于显山就一头雾水啊,09-06 01:33:32-09-06 01:33:35So, Yu Xianshan is completely confused.
98/293 230.44-231.4 aaa 你怎么跟我说这句话?09-06 01:33:33-09-06 01:33:35How did you say that to me?
99/293 231.82-232.09 aaa 然后呢,09-06 01:33:35-09-06 01:33:36Then,
100/293 232.33-234.67 n 于显山去跟史华池讨论这个问题,09-06 01:33:36-09-06 01:33:38Yu Xianshan discussed this issue with Shi Huachi.
101/293 234.98-235.4 n 实话实说,09-06 01:33:36-09-06 01:33:37Honestly,
102/293 236.34-237.42 xss 其中是在那聊人事。09-06 01:33:37-09-06 01:33:59They were discussing personnel matters.
103/293 237.66-238.26 aaa 所以第一点,09-06 01:33:38-09-06 01:33:39Therefore, the first point is:
104/293 238.38-240.45 hp 我在想他可能没有提起呼吸,09-06 01:33:38-09-06 01:33:42I was thinking he might not have breathed.
105/293 240.51-241.87 aaa 就是在好个人设。09-06 01:38:40-09-06 01:38:41It's all about the character.
106/293 242.29-242.53 n 第二,09-06 01:33:40-09-06 01:33:40Second,
107/293 242.83-244.27 n 钱钟书经历了很多的事情,09-06 01:33:41-09-06 01:33:42Chen Zhongshu experienced many things,
108/293 244.51-245.35 aaa 杜晋劫波之后,09-06 01:33:41-09-06 01:33:42After the Du Jin incident,
109/293 245.47-248.71 n 他肯定对于胡适待人比较宽厚,09-06 01:33:42-09-06 01:33:44He must have been very tolerant of Hu Shi.
110/293 249.01-249.85 de 别有一番体悟。09-06 01:33:43-09-06 01:33:56A different kind of understanding.
111/293 250.22-251.39 n 所以在八十年代的时候,09-06 01:33:43-09-06 01:33:45In the 1980s,
112/293 251.45-253.01 hp 他接受汪龙祖的采访,09-06 01:33:44-09-06 01:33:48He interviewed Wang Longzu.
113/293 253.13-254.17 aaa 就提及说,09-06 01:33:45-09-06 01:33:45Mentioned,
114/293 254.47-255.01 n 统言之,09-06 01:33:45-09-06 01:33:46In conclusion,
115/293 255.73-259.21 n 胡适芝的人品却高于鲁迅和蔡元培等人。09-06 01:33:46-09-06 01:33:53Hu Shichie's character was superior to that of Lu Xun and Cai Yuanpei.
116/293 259.39-261.37 aaa 那我想他对于胡适的好感,09-06 01:33:48-09-06 01:33:50I think he must have had a good impression of Hu Shi.
117/293 261.49-264.91 n 也使得他不愿意直接去点名批评胡适,09-06 01:33:49-09-06 01:33:53This also made him unwilling to directly criticize Hu Shi.
118/293 265.3-266.38 hp 这是两点考量。09-06 01:33:50-09-06 01:33:53These are two considerations.
119/293 266.68-268.06 aaa 那么钱钟书不去批评,09-06 01:33:51-09-06 01:33:53Then Qian Zhongshu doesn't go to criticize.
120/293 268.24-269.86 n 胡士之把陈奕却拎出来,09-06 01:33:54-09-06 01:33:57Hu Shi pulled Chen Yifu out.
121/293 269.92-271.36 hp 在那里批评有没有道理呢?09-06 01:33:55-09-06 01:33:58Is there any reason to criticize?
122/293 271.48-272.56 aaa 其实大客商榷,09-06 01:33:56-09-06 01:33:58Actually, I think it's a bit of an overstatement.
123/293 272.96-275.24 de 因为陈云却被我们认为是一个历史学家。09-06 01:33:56-09-06 01:34:30Because Chen Yun was considered by us to be a historian.
124/293 275.6-279.17 bg 他关于杨贵妃这段考证呢是在元白石见证稿当中,09-06 01:33:57-09-06 01:35:12He's done some research on Yang Guifei based on the original manuscript of Yuan Wenhua.
125/293 279.29-281.69 n 这是一部以文学材料研究历史的著作。09-06 01:33:58-09-06 01:34:01This is a work of scholarship that studies history through literary materials.
126/293 281.99-284.81 de 那你钱钟书拿这样一部研究历史的著作,09-06 01:33:59-09-06 01:34:39Then, what did Qian Zhongshu do with this book on historical research?
127/293 284.87-287.09 n 作为文学史研究的反面案例,09-06 01:33:59-09-06 01:34:01As a counterexample to literary history studies,
128/293 287.63-289.49 hp 拿出来批评肯定是说不过去的。09-06 01:34:00-09-06 01:34:06It's impossible to argue with them, so I just have to let it go.
129/293 289.78-292.69 aaa 所以呢很快这个报告流传到中文世界之后呢,09-06 01:34:01-09-06 01:34:02So, after this report quickly spread in the Chinese world,
130/293 292.81-295.87 xss 就引来了一些为陈云雀辩护的声音。09-06 01:34:01-09-06 01:34:36This has attracted some voices defending Chen Cunqi.
131/293 296.29-303.91 n 首先呢是香港中文大学的一位历史学教授牟润孙这个人呢是以陈云雀的师书弟子自居。09-06 01:34:02-09-06 01:34:10First, there is Professor Mou Runsun from the University of Hong Kong. He claims to be a disciple and student of Chen Yunqie.
132/293 304.09-306.3 n 所以呢第一个跑出来为陈学辩护。09-06 01:34:03-09-06 01:34:07So, the first person to speak up in defense of Chen X.
133/293 306.6-307.44 aaa 欧润孙指出,09-06 01:34:03-09-06 01:34:06Orun Sun pointed out that,
134/293 307.68-309.96 aaa 陈云却之所以是研究杨贵妃,09-06 01:34:06-09-06 01:34:10Chen Yun, however, was the one who researched Yang Guifei.
135/293 310.08-312.66 hp 实际上在回应朱熹的一个历史命题。09-06 01:34:07-09-06 01:34:12In fact, it is a response to Zhu Xi's historical proposition.
136/293 313.21-313.69 n 朱熹说,09-06 01:34:08-09-06 01:34:10Zhu Xi said,
137/293 313.87-315.25 n 李唐出自于夷狄,09-06 01:34:10-09-06 01:34:12Li Tang originated from the Xiongnu.
138/293 315.37-316.15 aaa 所以他们的风俗、09-06 01:34:11-09-06 01:34:12Therefore, their customs,
139/293 316.45-318.07 n 伦理和汉人是不太一样的。09-06 01:34:12-09-06 01:34:13Ethics and Han Chinese are not the same.
140/293 318.34-321.52 hp 那么去考察唐玄宗对于杨贵妃的接纳,09-06 01:34:12-09-06 01:34:19Then, let's examine Emperor Xuanzong of the Tang Dynasty's acceptance of Yang Guifei.
141/293 321.7-324.34 aaa 其实就是在考察李唐王室的汉化问题。09-06 01:34:13-09-06 01:34:17In fact, it is to examine the Hanization of the Li Tang royal family.
142/293 324.7-326.23 n 所以在谋论孙看来,09-06 01:34:14-09-06 01:34:17In the opinion of Sun,
143/293 326.89-329.17 n 陈寅却这样的研究并非是无谓的。09-06 01:34:14-09-06 01:34:17Chen In, however, did not conduct this research in vain.
144/293 329.29-330.91 n 那么在乾隆书去世之后,09-06 01:34:18-09-06 01:34:19After Emperor Qianlong's death,
145/293 331.39-336.05 aaa 于浅山在回忆钱钟书的文章当中也提及了这件事情。09-06 01:34:18-09-06 01:34:21In the article "On Shallow Mountains," it also mentions this matter.
146/293 336.17-337.31 xss 他说七九年的时候,09-06 01:39:20-09-06 01:39:43He said that in 79,
147/293 337.8-340.08 n 钱钟书到他家里边访问也是表达了。09-06 01:34:20-09-06 01:34:24Chen Zhongshu also expressed his feelings when he visited him at home.
148/293 340.14-341.52 hp 对于陈云雀的研究的不屑,09-06 01:34:20-09-06 01:34:24Disdain for research on Chen Yun,
149/293 341.99-345.29 n 但是于浅山过虑到钱钟书是客人的身份,09-06 01:34:21-09-06 01:34:24However, Yu Ashan considered that Qian Zhongshu was a guest.
150/293 345.47-346.73 aaa 没有当场反驳他。09-06 01:34:22-09-06 01:34:24He didn't refute him on the spot.
151/293 347.03-348.83 n 但是内心他是不以为然的。09-06 01:34:24-09-06 01:34:26However, he didn't agree with it internally.
152/293 349.01-350.57 hp 所以在这篇回忆的文章当中,09-06 01:34:25-09-06 01:34:28Therefore, in this memoir article,
153/293 350.69-354.05 n 他就史重提提出了陈云雀相关的研究。09-06 01:34:26-09-06 01:34:29He then revisited the research on Chen Cunque.
154/293 354.17-356.4 n 他是回应出现这样一个命题,09-06 01:34:27-09-06 01:34:29He responded to the following proposition,
155/293 357.08-358.04 aaa 他是应该抄的。09-06 01:34:28-09-06 01:34:29He should have copied it.
156/293 358.16-361.16 hp 是谋伦孙的摩伦孙曾经和他关系非常的密切。09-06 01:34:28-09-06 01:34:32Mo Ren Sun and Mo Ren Son were very close.
157/293 361.46-363.5 aaa 谋伦孙对于浅上有很高的评价。09-06 01:34:30-09-06 01:34:32Mo Lun Sun highly praised the book "The Art of Thinking".
158/293 363.8-366.2 n 但因为七十年代中文大学的改革,09-06 01:34:30-09-06 01:34:36However, due to the reforms of Chinese University in the 1970s,
159/293 366.44-368.06 n 两个人的私交可能就崩掉了。09-06 01:34:31-09-06 01:34:33Their private relationship might be ruined.
160/293 368.42-370.339 de 但是因为之前有这种关系,09-06 01:34:32-09-06 01:34:52However, because there was a previous relationship like this,
161/293 370.46-374.95 hp 所以于浅山应该是关注到了谋论孙这篇文章,09-06 01:34:33-09-06 01:34:37Therefore, Yu Ashan should have noticed the article by Mo Lun.
162/293 375.19-379.21 aaa 所以直接拿谋论生这篇文章的说辞来辩护。09-06 01:34:33-09-06 01:34:36So, directly use the arguments presented in this article to defend.
163/293 379.51-381.19 n 那么季羡林也一样,09-06 01:34:34-09-06 01:34:36So, Xie Xianlin is also the same.
164/293 381.37-382.81 n 他不是抄了谋论生的,09-06 01:34:37-09-06 01:34:39He is not a copycat of the murder.
165/293 382.93-383.95 aaa 就是抄了于前山的。09-06 01:34:38-09-06 01:34:41It's a copy of Yu Qian.
166/293 384.07-386.77 n 因为他们三个人的辩护其实一模一样的,09-06 01:34:40-09-06 01:34:41Because their three arguments were actually the same.
167/293 386.98-388.42 xss 但是他们都犯了一个错误,09-06 01:34:40-09-06 01:35:05But they all made a mistake,
168/293 388.54-392.02 hp 他们都没有仔细的去回顾一下陈云雀的文本。09-06 01:34:41-09-06 01:34:45They didn't carefully review Chen Cunque's text.
169/293 392.32-395.86 n 我把原白是见证稿当中这点内容仔细的读了一遍。09-06 01:34:42-09-06 01:34:44I have carefully read this part of the original witness statement.
170/293 396.11-397.01 de 陈云旭说的很清楚,09-06 01:34:42-09-06 01:34:58Chen Yunxu explained it very clearly.
171/293 397.19-397.37 aaa 他说,09-06 01:34:43-09-06 01:34:44He said,
172/293 397.49-399.05 n 我就是为了了解公公案,09-06 01:34:44-09-06 01:34:46I am here to understand the case of my grandfather.
173/293 399.46-401.74 aaa 并不是为了回应什么朱熹的命题,09-06 01:34:44-09-06 01:34:46Not to respond to any of Zhu Xi's propositions.
174/293 401.86-405.94 n 因为他在唐代政治史述论稿当中已经做了明确的回应,09-06 01:34:45-09-06 01:34:50Because he has already made a clear response in his work on the history of politics during the Tang Dynasty,
175/293 406.3-407.92 hp 没有必要画蛇添足。09-06 01:34:46-09-06 01:34:50It's not necessary to overcomplicate things.
176/293 408.38-410.87 n 那么为什么说他是了结上公案呢?09-06 01:34:47-09-06 01:34:50So, why do they say that he has solved the mystery?
177/293 411.05-412.55 aaa 因为关于杨贵妃,09-06 01:34:47-09-06 01:34:50Because of Yang Guifei,
178/293 412.85-414.71 aaa 她是否是以处女之身入宫,09-06 01:34:51-09-06 01:34:52Was she a virgin when entering the palace?
179/293 414.95-417.82 hp 在文史上本身就有大量的争论。09-06 01:34:51-09-06 01:34:55There have been many debates in literary history.
180/293 418.06-418.72 n 像朱一尊、09-06 01:34:52-09-06 01:34:53Like Zhu Yi,
181/293 419.32-419.92 n 张学成、09-06 01:34:53-09-06 01:34:54Zhang Xichang
182/293 420.58-421.78 bg 陈员这样的史学,09-06 01:39:55-09-06 01:40:19Chen, a historian.
183/293 422.02-423.34 de 大家都做过回应。09-06 01:34:54-09-06 01:35:12Everyone has responded.
184/293 423.46-427.36 aaa 那么其他像杭士俊运进这样的二三流学者也做过讨论,09-06 01:34:55-09-06 01:34:57Then, other scholars like Hans Juhn have also made discussions.
185/293 427.63-430.51 n 再加上陈银雀他可能一下子就是玩世不恭了,09-06 01:34:55-09-06 01:34:59In addition, Chen Yinque may have become a bit of a playboy.
186/293 430.69-431.41 n 做了一个考证,09-06 01:34:56-09-06 01:34:58I took a test.
187/293 431.53-433.27 hp 那我认为也是无伤大雅的。09-06 01:34:57-09-06 01:34:59I think it's harmless.
188/293 433.51-434.77 aaa 就是我们发现谋论、09-06 01:34:58-09-06 01:34:59We found that the conspiracy,
189/293 434.89-435.789 n 孙于浅山、09-06 01:34:58-09-06 01:35:00On the slopes of a mountain,
190/293 436.09-436.51 de 季羡林,09-06 01:34:59-09-06 01:35:13Jie Xianlin,
191/293 436.69-438.55 n 他们对于陈寅雀都非常的推崇,09-06 01:35:00-09-06 01:35:01They are very impressed with Chen Yinque.
192/293 438.73-440.95 aaa 应该对陈银雀的文本都是非常熟悉的。09-06 01:35:00-09-06 01:35:03I'm sure you are familiar with Chen Xinqie's texts.
193/293 441.3-444.3 hp 但是他们在写文章的过程当中都没有去核对,09-06 01:35:01-09-06 01:35:05However, they did not verify the information during the writing process.
194/293 444.54-446.1 n 原文也是在那里偷懒,09-06 01:35:02-09-06 01:35:04The original text was also being lazy.
195/293 446.34-447.3 n 这个不值得提倡。09-06 01:35:02-09-06 01:35:04This is not worth promoting.
196/293 447.81-450.09 aaa 那么最后我们再来回应一个问题,09-06 01:35:04-09-06 01:35:05Okay, let's address one more question.
197/293 450.5-451.74 n 就是像摩伦森、09-06 01:35:05-09-06 01:35:06Like Morren,
198/293 452.34-454.86 n 于犬三他们在回应这个问题的时候,09-06 01:35:05-09-06 01:35:07When asked about this issue, they...
199/293 454.98-458.39 xss 对于钱钟书说的话都是非常客气的。09-06 01:35:06-09-06 01:35:43The words spoken to Qian Zhongshu are all very polite.
200/293 458.75-463.39 hp 为什么季羡林对于钱钟书要说这么重的话,09-06 01:35:07-09-06 01:35:12Why did Qie Xianlin say so much about Qian Zhongshu?
201/293 463.87-465.79 aaa 我看到过一个说法啊,09-06 01:35:07-09-06 01:35:09I've heard a saying,
202/293 466.13-466.91 n 来自于钱钟书,09-06 01:35:08-09-06 01:35:10From Qian Zhongshu,
203/293 467.03-468.53 n 当然我没有核查到原文,09-06 01:35:09-09-06 01:35:12Of course, I haven't verified the original text.
204/293 468.83-470.51 aaa 但是我知道这个说法一定是存在。09-06 01:35:09-09-06 01:35:12But I know that this statement must exist.
205/293 470.69-471.71 n 因为有人引用过,09-06 01:35:10-09-06 01:35:17Because someone has quoted it,
206/293 472.12-474.16 bg 就说钱钟书在世的时候,09-06 01:35:13-09-06 01:35:55When it was said that Qian Zhongshu was alive,
207/293 474.34-480.76 aaa 针对当时一些有名望的学者热衷于担任各种丛书的主编现象,09-06 01:35:13-09-06 01:35:16In response to the phenomenon that many well-known scholars are eager to serve as editors of various series,
208/293 481.19-482.99 hp 他自之为四位素参,09-06 01:35:14-09-06 01:35:18He considers himself to be one of the four great masters.
209/293 483.29-484.67 n 这是很重的一句话。09-06 01:35:15-09-06 01:35:19This is a very heavy sentence.
210/293 485.25-489.91 de 那么钱钟书他批评的对象肯定都是大学者,09-06 01:35:17-09-06 01:36:00So, the objects that Qian Zhongshu criticized must be scholars.
211/293 490.17-490.53 de 小学者,09-06 01:35:17-09-06 01:35:37Kids,
212/293 490.65-492.27 aaa 他肯定是不会放在眼里的。09-06 01:35:18-09-06 01:35:20He definitely wouldn't take it seriously.
213/293 492.39-494.07 n 那么大学者们一共就那么几位,09-06 01:35:19-09-06 01:35:21So, there were only a few university scholars.
214/293 494.31-499.39 hp 而在当时热衷于担任丛书挂名主编的那就更少。09-06 01:35:19-09-06 01:35:26And at that time, fewer people were interested in being a co-editor of the "Book Series".
215/293 500.0-504.98 n 那这里边就包含了季羡林前钟书是否针对季羡林,09-06 01:35:20-09-06 01:35:24So, this includes whether the former scholar Zhou Xianlin targeted Zhou Xianlin.
216/293 505.16-506.06 aaa 这个我们不清楚。09-06 01:35:21-09-06 01:35:22We don't know that.
217/293 506.36-509.48 n 但是这句话传到季羡林耳朵里边的话,09-06 01:35:22-09-06 01:35:26However, when this sentence reached Jie Xianlin's ears,
218/293 510.06-511.32 aaa 肯定是不舒服的。09-06 01:35:23-09-06 01:35:24It must be uncomfortable.
219/293 511.63-517.75 aaa 那么钱钟书有没有必要将范围缩的这么小去针对一些现象去批评呢?09-06 01:40:25-09-06 01:40:28Does it make sense for Qian Zhongshu to narrow the scope and focus on specific phenomena in his criticism?
220/293 518.21-519.86 aaa 他是否是针对季羡林呢?09-06 01:35:25-09-06 01:35:27Is he targeting Xie Xianlin?
221/293 520.27-521.05 n 我们不得而知。09-06 01:35:27-09-06 01:35:28We don't know.
222/293 521.41-525.85 hp 但是我们从阳绛的回忆炉当中啊又看出了一点端倪。09-06 01:35:27-09-06 01:35:32However, we also found some clues from Yang Jiang's memory furnace.
223/293 526.45-529.69 n 杨绛在他的一本回忆录当中提及了一桩往事。09-06 01:35:28-09-06 01:35:32Yang Jiang mentioned a past event in one of her memoirs.
224/293 529.87-530.11 aaa 他说,09-06 01:35:29-09-06 01:35:29He said,
225/293 530.68-533.74 n 当年曾经有人写了一封大字报,09-06 01:35:29-09-06 01:35:32Once, someone wrote a long letter.
226/293 533.92-536.02 aaa 在那里诛心的污蔑钱钟书。09-06 01:35:30-09-06 01:35:32The slanderous accusations that caused him great pain.
227/293 536.38-536.92 n 至于是谁,09-06 01:35:32-09-06 01:35:34Who is it?
228/293 537.28-538.12 n 他没有公布。09-06 01:35:33-09-06 01:35:34He didn't announce it.
229/293 538.46-540.02 aaa 但在另外一本回忆录当中,09-06 01:35:34-09-06 01:35:35In another memoir,
230/293 540.14-541.28 hp 他又就事重提。09-06 01:35:34-09-06 01:35:37He brought it up again.
231/293 541.52-547.35 n 他说这个人后来和钱钟书在那里竞争社科院副院长的位置,09-06 01:35:35-09-06 01:35:43He said that this person later competed with Qian Zhongshu for the position of Deputy Dean at the Institute of Social Sciences.
232/293 547.47-549.34 n 最终呢留给了钱钟书。09-06 01:35:36-09-06 01:35:39In the end, it was left to Qian Zhongshu.
233/293 549.76-551.32 aaa 那这样的范围就更少,09-06 01:35:36-09-06 01:35:38Then the range will be even smaller.
234/293 551.62-553.36 de 因为能够担任这个位置的,09-06 01:35:37-09-06 01:35:59Because I am qualified to hold this position,
235/293 553.7-554.78 hp 一共就那么几个人选。09-06 01:35:38-09-06 01:35:43There are only a few people to choose from.
236/293 555.46-557.19 aaa 那么是不是七羡零呢?09-06 01:35:39-09-06 01:35:40So, is it seven hundred and twenty?
237/293 557.64-560.91 n 谢羡林在他的回忆录当中对此又做过一个说法。09-06 01:35:40-09-06 01:35:43In his memoirs, Xie Xianlin also made a statement about this.
238/293 561.23-566.33 aaa 他说当年胡乔木想让我或者钱钟书来担任这个位置,09-06 01:35:41-09-06 01:35:44He said that back then, Hu Ji Mo wanted me or Chen Zhongshu to take on this position.
239/293 566.74-568.719 hp 最终呢是由权证书担上的。09-06 01:35:43-09-06 01:35:47Ultimately, it is the certificate holder who bears the responsibility.
240/293 568.84-569.38 n 然后人家就问。09-06 01:35:44-09-06 01:35:45Then, the person asked.
241/293 569.5-570.64 xss 他说你是不是特别想当,09-06 01:35:45-09-06 01:36:16He said you must be very eager to,
242/293 570.82-572.26 n 他说这倒也谈不上啊,09-06 01:35:45-09-06 01:35:48He said that's not the case.
243/293 572.44-573.76 aaa 但你一定要说我没有吧,09-06 01:35:46-09-06 01:35:48But you have to say that I didn't,
244/293 574.24-576.1 n 也不是说的模棱两可。09-06 01:35:47-09-06 01:35:48It's not ambiguous.
245/293 576.52-577.78 hp 那么这样就看出来,09-06 01:35:48-09-06 01:35:51So, it can be seen that...
246/293 577.96-581.74 n 季羡林和钱钟书很早之前就有恩怨。09-06 01:35:49-09-06 01:35:52Chi Xianlin and Qian Zhongshu had a long-standing feud.
247/293 582.21-585.99 aaa 那么在此之后他们相互之间说的这些话,09-06 01:35:49-09-06 01:35:51So, after that, they said these things to each other.
248/293 586.56-589.74 n 极有可能都是基于过往的那些积怨。09-06 01:35:50-09-06 01:35:53It is highly likely that they are all based on past grudges.
249/293 590.18-591.14 hp 我们再来一个补丁,09-06 01:35:52-09-06 01:35:55Here's another patch,
250/293 591.38-594.98 aaa 就是关于钱钟书为什么特别针对程阙这件事情,09-06 01:35:52-09-06 01:35:55This is about why Qian Zhongshu specifically targeted Cheng Que.
251/293 595.39-596.53 n 先从洋绛说起。09-06 01:35:53-09-06 01:35:55Let's start with Yang Jiang.
252/293 597.12-598.44 n 在钱钟书去世之后,09-06 01:35:54-09-06 01:35:56After Mr. Qian Zhongshu's death,
253/293 598.62-601.32 hp 杨绛对于钱钟书的形象的维护,09-06 01:35:56-09-06 01:36:00Yang Jiang's defense of the image of Qian Zhongshu,
254/293 601.5-602.88 aaa 可以说是不遗余力的。09-06 01:35:57-09-06 01:35:58It can be said to be tireless.
255/293 603.12-605.34 n 针对一些对于钱钟书激烈的批评,09-06 01:35:57-09-06 01:36:00In response to some of the harsh criticisms against Qian Zhongshu,
256/293 605.64-609.18 bg 杨绛甚至不惜动用一些权力的人脉,09-06 01:35:58-09-06 01:36:52Yang Jiang even went to great lengths, using some of her power and connections.
257/293 609.42-611.76 n 对于作者及刊物进行打压。09-06 01:35:59-09-06 01:36:00Suppress the author and publication.
258/293 612.0-614.3 aaa 那你们当年都是受过苦的,09-06 01:35:59-09-06 01:36:01Then you all must have experienced hardship.
259/293 614.419-616.88 de 到了头来还是要做这种东西去打击别人。09-06 01:36:00-09-06 01:36:37In the end, it's all about doing things to harm others.
260/293 617.06-619.08 de 应该说这个是缺乏雅量,09-06 01:36:01-09-06 01:36:29This can be said to lack of sophistication,
261/293 619.32-620.52 n 己所不欲勿施于人。09-06 01:36:01-09-06 01:36:05Do not do to others what you would not want done to yourself.
262/293 620.86-624.72 hp 那么洋绛呢针对钱钟书的维护也不仅仅如此,09-06 01:36:02-09-06 01:36:09So, regarding the defense of Qian Zhongshu, Yang Jiang's actions were not limited to that.
263/293 624.84-628.86 n 他对于钱钟书的一些形象也是在不断的进行找补。09-06 01:36:03-09-06 01:36:07He is constantly trying to make up for some of the shortcomings in Qian Zhongshu's image.
264/293 629.1-632.46 aaa 那么这里就涉及到陈云雀和钱钟书之间的,09-06 01:36:04-09-06 01:36:06So, this involves the relationship between Chen Yun and Qian Zhongshu.
265/293 632.64-635.41 n 关系到了八十年代九十年代的时候,09-06 01:36:06-09-06 01:36:10In the 1980s and 1990s,
266/293 635.65-638.11 aaa 陈寅学的形象一下子就拔的非常高,09-06 01:36:07-09-06 01:36:09Chen Inchuk's image was immediately elevated to a very high level.
267/293 638.41-641.11 n 成为了中国知识分子的一面旗帜和符号。09-06 01:36:08-09-06 01:36:10Became a symbol and icon of intellectuals in China.
268/293 641.67-643.89 hp 那么在钱钟书在世的时候啊,09-06 01:36:10-09-06 01:36:13So, when Qian Zhongshu was alive,
269/293 644.01-650.97 aaa 一些公开私底下对于陈英雀的批评就引发了文史圈当中的一些流言蜚语。09-06 01:36:11-09-06 01:36:14Some public and private criticisms of Chen Yingqi have sparked rumors in the literary and historical circles.
270/293 651.35-652.94 n 那么杨绛呢就要找补,09-06 01:36:11-09-06 01:36:14So, Yang Geng needs to take care of herself.
271/293 653.18-655.46 n 他就专门写文章回应了这件事情。09-06 01:36:12-09-06 01:36:15He specifically wrote articles to respond to the matter.
272/293 655.7-660.32 hp 他说钱钟书当年只不过是和陈英却没有太深入的接触。09-06 01:36:14-09-06 01:36:19He said that Chen Yih had only a superficial contact with Qian Zhongshu in his time.
273/293 660.85-662.47 aaa 如果有很深入的接触,09-06 01:36:15-09-06 01:36:16If you have a deep understanding,
274/293 662.65-665.11 n 我相信他们应该是良师益友。09-06 01:36:15-09-06 01:36:18I believe they should be good teachers and friends.
275/293 665.88-669.48 n 而且他说钱钟书后来受蒋天书之托,09-06 01:36:16-09-06 01:36:20And he said that Qian Zhongshu later received a commission from Chiang Tianzhu,
276/293 669.96-673.46 aaa 帮啊讲天书修订成阙的诗稿啊,09-06 01:36:17-09-06 01:36:20Help, please provide a revised version of the poem "The Book of Heaven" by Qu Yuan.
277/293 673.64-675.95 xss 是懂得非常不亦乐乎。09-06 01:36:17-09-06 01:36:38It is very enjoyable.
278/293 676.19-677.21 n 所以在他看来,09-06 01:36:19-09-06 01:36:20Therefore, in his view,
279/293 677.63-680.27 hp 钱钟书和陈寅恪之间没有什么心结,09-06 01:36:20-09-06 01:36:24There is no conflict between Qian Zhongshu and Chen Yinke.
280/293 680.51-681.83 aaa 钱钟书没有看不起陈寅雀,09-06 01:36:21-09-06 01:36:23Chen Inchun was not looked down upon by Qian Zhongshu.
281/293 682.25-683.21 n 那这是事实吗?09-06 01:36:21-09-06 01:36:22Is this true?
282/293 683.75-684.41 n 显然不是。09-06 01:36:22-09-06 01:36:23It's not obvious.
283/293 684.97-693.02 n 因为有大量的证据都表明了钱钟书在私底下对于陈云雀的态度是不屑一顾的。09-06 01:36:23-09-06 01:36:29Because there is a lot of evidence that shows that Qian Zhongshu was secretly contemptuous of Chen Yunqiu.
284/293 693.26-696.02 aaa 甚至他都说出陈云雀就是个书呆子。09-06 01:36:24-09-06 01:36:26He even said that Chen Cun was a nerd.
285/293 696.39-699.45 n 那他对于陈云雀为什么会有这样的观感?09-06 01:36:25-09-06 01:36:29What is his impression of Chen Cunque?
286/293 700.34-702.98 hp 除了在学术指序上的不同之外,09-06 01:36:25-09-06 01:36:29In addition to the differences in academic titles,
287/293 703.78-709.25 aaa 我猜测可能对于陈迅这样的遗老之不太欣赏的,09-06 01:36:26-09-06 01:36:29I guess that some people might not appreciate someone like Chen Xun, who is a senior figure.
288/293 709.37-710.57 n 甚至有点厌恶,09-06 01:36:29-09-06 01:36:31I'm even a little disgusted.
289/293 711.12-712.17 de 这是我的一个判断。09-06 01:36:30-09-06 01:36:41This is my judgment.
290/293 713.32-713.56 n 那好,09-06 01:36:31-09-06 01:36:31Okay,
291/293 713.92-717.08 hp 今天我总算是讲这这个大的学术八卦,09-06 01:36:31-09-06 01:36:35Today, I finally talked about this big academic gossip.
292/293 717.32-719.24 aaa 从头到尾全部梳理了一遍,09-06 01:36:32-09-06 01:36:34I've gone through it from start to finish.
293/293 719.65-720.49 n 就讲到这里。09-06 01:36:33-09-06 01:36:34That's all.