1/335 0.09-0.87 xss 我最近很惊讶,09-06 22:10:51-09-06 22:11:09I was recently surprised,
2/335 1.05-3.99 n 我们国内竟然没有重点关注一下这个人我搜了一下,09-06 22:10:54-09-06 22:10:57Actually, there is no one in our country who focuses on this person. I searched a bit and found that...
3/335 4.17-5.55 n 甚至连他的词条都没有。09-06 22:15:55-09-06 22:15:57He doesn't even have an entry in the database.
4/335 5.85-8.97 de 这个人呢叫罗伯特萨布斯基麦克阿瑟天才奖的得主。09-06 22:10:55-09-06 22:11:41This person is Robert Szabó, a recipient of the MacArthur Genius Award.
5/335 9.21-11.73 hp 他在二零一七年的时候出了一本书叫 behave.09-06 22:10:56-09-06 22:11:00In 2017, he published a book called behave.
6/335 12.39-15.15 bg 教我们怎么精准预测任何一个人的行为,09-06 22:10:56-09-06 22:11:40Teach us how to accurately predict the behavior of any person,
7/335 15.39-17.91 n 而且不光是预测他还干了一个更狠的事儿。09-06 22:10:58-09-06 22:11:00Besides predicting, he also did something even more outrageous.
8/335 18.15-20.25 aaa 他把一个人为什么会做出一个行为,09-06 22:11:01-09-06 22:11:02Why a person would do something,
9/335 20.49-23.85 n 拆成了从毫秒级到几十年的完整的时间轴?09-06 22:11:01-09-06 22:11:06Broken down into a complete timeline from milliseconds to decades?
10/335 24.15-25.65 n 你们知道行为经济学的大牛,09-06 22:11:02-09-06 22:11:06Do you know the big names in behavioral economics?
11/335 25.83-30.22 hp 丹尼尔卡尼曼就是用萨布斯基的发现去分析人的各种不可预测的行为,09-06 22:11:03-09-06 22:11:09Daniel Kahneman used the findings of Saborsky to analyze various unpredictable behaviors in humans.
12/335 30.34-31.18 de 结果得了诺奖,09-06 22:11:03-09-06 22:11:26Resulted in winning the Nobel Prize,
13/335 31.42-34.06 aaa 美国思想界有一个主持天花板叫 krista tipett.09-06 22:11:04-09-06 22:11:06Krista Tipett is a prominent figure in the American intellectual scene.
14/335 34.36-37.66 n 他说啊这个世界上面他最不希望死的人就是萨布斯基。09-06 22:11:06-09-06 22:11:10He said that the person he most didn't want to die in this world was Sabski.
15/335 37.96-38.98 n 那我们废话不多说啊,09-06 22:11:07-09-06 22:11:11Then let's get straight to the point,
16/335 39.16-41.44 aaa 直接把萨布斯基最有用的东西捋一下,09-06 22:11:09-09-06 22:11:11Here's a summary of the most useful things about Sabski:
17/335 41.74-43.66 hp 教大家怎么去预判一个人的行为。09-06 22:11:10-09-06 22:11:13Teach people how to predict a person's behavior.
18/335 43.84-45.52 xss 怎么判断一个人以后会不会变,09-06 22:11:11-09-06 22:11:45How to determine whether a person will change in the future.
19/335 45.88-48.22 n 以及我们到底有没有可能去真正改变一个人呢?09-06 22:11:11-09-06 22:11:14And whether we can really change a person?
20/335 48.46-50.74 n 你看啊我们每天都会遇到各种各样的人,09-06 22:11:12-09-06 22:11:14Look, we encounter all kinds of people every day.
21/335 50.98-53.02 aaa 有些人你这辈子只可能见一次,09-06 22:11:13-09-06 22:11:14Some people you might only meet once in your lifetime.
22/335 53.32-54.34 hp 比方讲去办签证,09-06 22:11:14-09-06 22:11:17For example, applying for a visa.
23/335 54.58-55.6 n 去银行办业务,09-06 22:11:15-09-06 22:11:16Go to the bank to do business,
24/335 55.78-56.74 aaa 去一家公司面试,09-06 22:11:15-09-06 22:11:17Go to an interview at a company,
25/335 56.98-57.58 n 去谈合作。09-06 22:11:16-09-06 22:11:17To discuss cooperation.
26/335 57.94-60.23 n 那怎么做能让这种界面尽量的胜利,09-06 22:11:17-09-06 22:11:19How can this interface be designed to achieve the best results?
27/335 60.53-62.029 aaa 避免在第一步就被卡死了?09-06 22:11:17-09-06 22:11:19How to avoid getting stuck in the first step?
28/335 62.41-63.01 n 二零一一年,09-06 22:11:18-09-06 22:11:20In 2011,
29/335 63.07-65.29 hp 在以色列发生了一件持续出现的怪事。09-06 22:11:19-09-06 22:11:22There have been some strange occurrences in Israel.
30/335 65.59-66.79 aaa 这个事本身特别偶然,09-06 22:11:20-09-06 22:11:21This is a very coincidental event.
31/335 67.14-72.0 n 就是当时有一组科学家想去监狱里面看一看法官到底是怎么释放犯人的。09-06 22:11:21-09-06 22:11:26At that time, a group of scientists wanted to go inside the prison and see how judges actually release prisoners.
32/335 72.28-74.35 n 因为在美国和以色列的司法体系里面,09-06 22:11:21-09-06 22:11:24Because in the judicial systems of the United States and Israel,
33/335 74.47-75.91 aaa 有一个制度叫做假释。09-06 22:11:22-09-06 22:11:23There is a system called parole.
34/335 76.33-77.47 hp 如果一个罪犯被判了刑,09-06 22:11:23-09-06 22:11:26If a criminal is sentenced to prison,
35/335 77.83-78.37 aaa 服刑期间,09-06 22:11:24-09-06 22:11:25During imprisonment,
36/335 78.49-79.51 n 他表现的特别良好,09-06 22:11:25-09-06 22:11:26He performed very well.
37/335 79.81-80.469 aaa 态度很积极,09-06 22:11:26-09-06 22:11:26Positive attitude,
38/335 80.65-81.91 n 他就能申请提前出狱。09-06 22:11:26-09-06 22:11:28He can apply for early release.
39/335 82.27-84.25 hp 这个决定不是法官拍脑袋决定的,09-06 22:11:27-09-06 22:11:31This decision was not made by the judge on a whim.
40/335 84.67-86.23 de 要一个假设委员会来投票。09-06 22:11:28-09-06 22:11:42Establish a committee to vote.
41/335 86.53-87.85 n 那每天早上九点开始,09-06 22:11:28-09-06 22:11:30It starts every morning at 9 o'clock.
42/335 88.22-90.229 aaa 贾士官刚刚吃完早饭喝完咖啡。09-06 22:11:29-09-06 22:11:31Sergeant Jia has just finished breakfast and had his coffee.
43/335 90.66-91.08 n 这个时候呢,09-06 22:11:30-09-06 22:11:31At this time,
44/335 91.2-93.54 n 罪犯就被一个一个带进来假值官看材料,09-06 22:11:31-09-06 22:11:35The criminals were brought in one by one to see the fake official's documents.
45/335 93.84-94.38 n 讨论一下,09-06 22:11:32-09-06 22:11:33Let's discuss,
46/335 94.62-95.4 hp 决定放不放人。09-06 22:11:33-09-06 22:11:36Decide whether to release or not.
47/335 95.7-97.32 aaa 早上九点到十点之间,09-06 22:11:33-09-06 22:11:369:00 AM to 10:00 AM,
48/335 97.62-100.98 n 罪犯被批准放出去的比例差不多是百分之六十左右,09-06 22:11:34-09-06 22:11:37The proportion of criminals who are granted parole is approximately 60%.
49/335 101.16-101.46 n 非常高。09-06 22:11:36-09-06 22:11:37Very high.
50/335 101.76-103.5 hp 但是随着时间一点一点过去,09-06 22:11:36-09-06 22:11:39However, as time passed,
51/335 103.8-105.42 aaa 价值官开始频繁的看表,09-06 22:11:37-09-06 22:11:39The value officials started to frequently check the time.
52/335 105.72-106.56 n 讨论时间变短,09-06 22:11:38-09-06 22:11:40The discussion time is getting shorter.
53/335 106.86-108.48 n 对风险的变化格外的敏感。09-06 22:11:39-09-06 22:11:40Highly sensitive to changes in risk.
54/335 108.91-112.99 aaa 那罪犯的通过率呢一路从百分之六十掉到了百分之二十以下。09-06 22:11:39-09-06 22:11:42The success rate of the criminals dropped from 60% to below 20%.
55/335 113.5-114.4 hp 临近吃饭之前,09-06 22:11:40-09-06 22:11:42Just before eating,
56/335 114.64-115.6 n 几乎降到了零,09-06 22:11:41-09-06 22:11:42Almost reached zero.
57/335 116.17-117.85 bg 哪怕这些罪犯犯的事更轻,09-06 22:11:42-09-06 22:12:19Even if these criminals have committed minor offenses,
58/335 118.28-118.94 n 表现的更好,09-06 22:11:42-09-06 22:11:43Perform better,
59/335 119.18-120.259 de 通过率依旧是零。09-06 22:11:43-09-06 22:12:11The pass rate is still zero.
60/335 120.71-122.09 de 那等贾值官吃完午饭,09-06 22:11:44-09-06 22:12:13After lunch, Jia Zifu ate his meal.
61/335 122.39-123.29 n 短暂的休息一下,09-06 22:11:44-09-06 22:11:45Take a short break,
62/335 123.71-124.79 hp 几乎是立刻的,09-06 22:11:45-09-06 22:11:47Almost immediately,
63/335 124.97-127.31 aaa 罪犯的通过率瞬间回到了百分之六十多,09-06 22:11:46-09-06 22:11:48The crime rate instantly returned to over 60 percent.
64/335 127.61-128.51 n 不是缓慢回升啊,09-06 22:11:46-09-06 22:11:48It's not a slow recovery.
65/335 128.57-129.23 n 是立刻恢复。09-06 22:11:47-09-06 22:11:48Restore immediately.
66/335 129.59-133.18 xss 萨布斯基就发现啊在其他条件完全相同的前提,09-06 22:11:48-09-06 22:12:35Sabski found that, under the condition that all other factors are equal,
67/335 133.3-134.92 hp 下一个罪犯能不能放出去,09-06 22:11:48-09-06 22:11:51Will the next criminal be released?
68/335 135.16-136.24 n 跟他犯了什么事儿,09-06 22:16:50-09-06 22:16:52What did he do wrong?
69/335 136.36-137.08 aaa 关系根本就不大。09-06 22:11:50-09-06 22:11:52They have no relationship at all.
70/335 137.44-140.5 n 反而跟贾士官当时的精神状态疲高程度、09-06 22:11:52-09-06 22:11:56Instead, it was compared to the sergeant's mental state and fatigue at that time.
71/335 140.74-142.0 n 血糖水平高度相关。09-06 22:11:53-09-06 22:11:56Highly correlated with blood sugar levels.
72/335 142.53-145.11 hp 这个结果呢后来在认知行为界引发了大地震。09-06 22:11:53-09-06 22:11:58This result later caused a huge stir in the field of cognitive behavior.
73/335 145.6-148.18 aaa 所以啊当你只跟一个人接触一次的时候,09-06 22:11:54-09-06 22:11:56So, when you only have one contact with someone,
74/335 148.58-149.75 n 不要去研究他的人格,09-06 22:11:56-09-06 22:11:58Don't study his personality.
75/335 150.18-151.5 n 只关注他此刻的状态。09-06 22:11:57-09-06 22:11:59Focus only on his current state.
76/335 151.93-153.43 aaa 当我们去做重要的对话的时候,09-06 22:11:58-09-06 22:11:59When we are about to have an important conversation,
77/335 153.91-155.2 hp 比方讲面试签证,09-06 22:11:58-09-06 22:12:02For example, when applying for an interview visa,
78/335 155.56-156.04 n 谈合作,09-06 22:11:59-09-06 22:12:00Talk about cooperation,
79/335 156.34-157.0 n 重大沟通。09-06 22:12:00-09-06 22:12:01Major communication.
80/335 157.36-158.44 aaa 如果你能选择时间,09-06 22:12:00-09-06 22:12:02If you could choose a time,
81/335 158.74-160.9 n 尽量选在早上八点到十点,09-06 22:12:01-09-06 22:12:05Choose between 8 AM and 10 AM.
82/335 161.31-163.26 n 或者是下午一点到四点之间。09-06 22:12:02-09-06 22:12:05Or between 1:00 PM and 4:00 PM.
83/335 163.75-166.93 aaa 避开一个人最容易饿累烦大脑、09-06 22:12:03-09-06 22:12:05Avoid a person who is easily tired, irritable and has brain fog.
84/335 167.05-168.55 hp 前额夜效率最低的时间段。09-06 22:12:03-09-06 22:12:07The time of day when the front office is least busy.
85/335 169.09-169.99 n 因为在那个时间点,09-06 22:12:06-09-06 22:12:07Because at that time,
86/335 170.35-171.43 aaa 哪怕最理性的人,09-06 22:12:07-09-06 22:12:08Even the most rational people,
87/335 171.67-174.43 n 也可能只是一个被身体状态牵着走的普通人。09-06 22:12:07-09-06 22:12:11He might just be an ordinary person, carried along by his physical condition.
88/335 174.93-180.07 hp 刚才这个故事讲的是跟对方只有一面之缘哈那我们去选择自己的长期的合作伙伴,09-06 22:12:08-09-06 22:12:16The story I just told was about someone who only had a brief encounter with the other person, and we're choosing long-term partners based on that.
89/335 180.55-181.81 n 朋友伴侣的时候,09-06 22:12:09-09-06 22:12:11When you are with a friend or partner,
90/335 182.05-184.63 aaa 我们怎么判断这个人未来的行为不会变形呢?09-06 22:12:09-09-06 22:12:11How can we determine that a person's future behavior will not change?
91/335 184.97-187.04 n 这个就要讲到萨布斯基二十多岁的时候,09-06 22:12:12-09-06 22:12:16This is where we get to the story of Sabski when he was in his twenties.
92/335 187.28-188.96 n 他在哈佛读人类学的博士嘛,09-06 22:12:12-09-06 22:12:16He was studying for a Ph.D. in anthropology at Harvard,
93/335 189.32-190.34 de 他没有留在实验室,09-06 22:12:13-09-06 22:12:38He didn't stay in the lab.
94/335 190.52-191.6 aaa 而是跑去了非洲。09-06 22:12:14-09-06 22:12:15Instead, he went to Africa.
95/335 191.78-193.52 de 在肯尼亚的马赛马拉草原上面,09-06 22:12:14-09-06 22:12:37On the Masai Mara plains in Kenya,
96/335 193.64-194.06 aaa 住帐篷、09-06 22:12:17-09-06 22:12:18Camping,
97/335 194.24-194.72 hp 吃罐头,09-06 22:12:18-09-06 22:12:20Eat canned food,
98/335 194.84-195.44 n 被蚊子咬,09-06 22:12:18-09-06 22:12:20Bitten by mosquitoes,
99/335 195.74-198.2 n 研究一种和人类社会极其相似的动物。09-06 22:12:19-09-06 22:12:21Study an animal that is extremely similar to human society.
100/335 198.44-198.68 aaa 狒狒,09-06 22:12:20-09-06 22:12:20Baboons
101/335 199.16-201.8 bg 因为肯尼亚的狒狒和其他的灵长类动物不一样啊,09-06 22:12:20-09-06 22:13:14Because the baboons in Kenya are different from other primates,
102/335 202.2-203.16 n 他们不缺吃的,09-06 22:12:21-09-06 22:12:22They don't lack food.
103/335 203.52-205.499 hp 他们每天只需要花三个小时觅食,09-06 22:12:22-09-06 22:12:25They only need to spend three hours foraging each day.
104/335 205.97-207.89 aaa 剩下的九个小时全部用来社交,09-06 22:12:22-09-06 22:12:24The remaining nine hours were spent socializing.
105/335 208.25-208.91 aaa 包括结盟、09-06 22:17:24-09-06 22:17:24Including alliances,
106/335 209.21-209.45 n 打架、09-06 22:12:24-09-06 22:12:24Fighting,
107/335 209.75-210.29 n 争夺权力,09-06 22:12:24-09-06 22:12:25Fight for power,
108/335 210.68-212.72 aaa 几乎就是一个被无限放大的人类社会。09-06 22:12:25-09-06 22:12:27It's almost like an infinitely amplified human society.
109/335 213.08-217.69 n 萨布斯基发现啊有一些温和的雄性狒狒在低位的时候非常的安静,09-06 22:12:26-09-06 22:12:31Sabski observed that some docile male baboons were very quiet when they were in a low-ranking position.
110/335 217.989-219.43 n 不者是看起来特别友好。09-06 22:12:26-09-06 22:12:28He looks very friendly.
111/335 219.94-221.8 hp 但是一旦社会地位上升之后,09-06 22:12:27-09-06 22:12:30However, once social status rises,
112/335 222.31-224.41 aaa 行为会在几天之内迅速翻转,09-06 22:12:28-09-06 22:12:31The behavior will quickly reverse within a few days.
113/335 224.82-225.9 n 开始主动的挑衅、09-06 22:12:29-09-06 22:12:31Initiate provocative actions,
114/335 226.32-226.56 aaa 恐吓、09-06 22:12:31-09-06 22:12:32Intimidation,
115/335 226.86-227.16 hp 打压、09-06 22:12:32-09-06 22:12:33Suppress,
116/335 227.46-227.7 n 羞辱,09-06 22:12:32-09-06 22:12:34Embarrassment,
117/335 228.0-230.58 n 速度快到你根本来不及用性格改变去解释。09-06 22:12:33-09-06 22:12:36So fast that you can't even use your personality to explain it.
118/335 231.13-232.33 aaa 所以为什么会这样呢?09-06 22:12:34-09-06 22:12:35So, why is that the case?
119/335 232.77-234.93 hp 原来啊这些狒狒在打赢的瞬间,09-06 22:12:34-09-06 22:12:38Turns out, these baboons were celebrating their victory.
120/335 235.33-236.89 n 体内睾酮水平迅速升高,09-06 22:12:35-09-06 22:12:37Rapid increase in testosterone levels within the body.
121/335 237.25-238.75 xss 多巴胺系统被强烈的激活,09-06 22:12:36-09-06 22:13:04The dopamine system is strongly activated,
122/335 239.25-241.47 aaa 身体开始不断向大脑发出一个信号。09-06 22:12:36-09-06 22:12:38The body begins to send a signal to the brain.
123/335 241.65-242.79 n 你现在拥有资源了,09-06 22:12:37-09-06 22:12:38You now have resources,
124/335 242.91-243.75 n 你必须要守住。09-06 22:12:38-09-06 22:12:39You must protect it.
125/335 244.17-244.59 de 也就是说,09-06 22:12:38-09-06 22:13:02That is to say,
126/335 244.83-246.99 de 他们的身体变化快过心理变化。09-06 22:12:39-09-06 22:13:14Their physical changes are faster than their mental ones.
127/335 247.52-254.02 hp 还有啊萨布斯基发现变化最极端的那批狒狒恰恰是曾经在低位的时候被打的最惨,09-06 22:12:40-09-06 22:12:48The group of baboons discovered by Asabski, who experienced the most extreme changes, were actually those that had suffered the worst during the low point.
128/335 254.45-255.65 aaa 被羞辱最多的个体,09-06 22:12:41-09-06 22:12:42The most humiliated individual,
129/335 255.95-257.57 n 他们记得自己是怎么被驱赶,09-06 22:12:41-09-06 22:12:43They remember how they were driven away.
130/335 257.81-259.43 n 被剥夺食物被无视的。09-06 22:12:42-09-06 22:12:45Deprived of food, ignored.
131/335 259.86-261.6 aaa 所以当权力到来的那一刻,09-06 22:12:43-09-06 22:12:45So when the power came,
132/335 261.9-263.76 n 大脑就会立刻启动防御机制,09-06 22:12:46-09-06 22:12:48The brain will immediately activate its defense mechanisms.
133/335 264.1-265.66 n 开始提前攻击羞辱,09-06 22:12:46-09-06 22:12:48Start attacking and insulting in advance.
134/335 265.96-266.44 aaa 过度控制。09-06 22:12:47-09-06 22:12:48Overcontrol.
135/335 267.02-268.46 n 所以对应到人类社会啊,09-06 22:17:49-09-06 22:17:51So, in terms of human society,
136/335 268.76-271.13 aaa 当一个人在刚刚获得一点点权利的时候,09-06 22:12:48-09-06 22:12:50When a person has just gained some power,
137/335 271.37-272.51 n 行为发生剧烈变化。09-06 22:12:49-09-06 22:12:51The behavior has undergone a significant change.
138/335 272.81-274.07 n 我们大概率可以判断,09-06 22:12:50-09-06 22:12:51We can probably determine,
139/335 274.37-276.29 hp 这个人本来就不是稳定型的人格,09-06 22:12:50-09-06 22:12:54This person is not a stable personality type.
140/335 276.59-278.51 aaa 只是之前没有机会表现出来而已。09-06 22:12:51-09-06 22:12:53It just didn't have the opportunity to show itself before.
141/335 279.03-281.19 n 其实这里说的权力不光是地位提高,09-06 22:12:52-09-06 22:12:55Actually, the power here is not just about getting a higher position.
142/335 281.49-282.45 n 突然成了领导啊、09-06 22:12:53-09-06 22:12:54Suddenly became a leader,
143/335 282.69-282.99 aaa 老板啊、09-06 22:12:54-09-06 22:12:54Boss,
144/335 283.17-284.96 hp 高管啊也指信息优势、09-06 22:12:54-09-06 22:12:57Executives also refer to information advantages.
145/335 285.26-285.8 n 关系优势、09-06 22:12:55-09-06 22:12:56Competitive advantages,
146/335 286.22-288.38 aaa 认知和资源领先任何一个位置差。09-06 22:12:56-09-06 22:12:58Cognitive and resource advantages are not present in any of the positions.
147/335 288.83-291.23 n 比方讲啊有些人比你早知道一些内幕,09-06 22:12:56-09-06 22:13:00For example, some people know more about the inside information than you do.
148/335 291.35-292.49 n 他就立刻开始卖关子。09-06 22:12:57-09-06 22:12:59He immediately started to stall.
149/335 292.92-295.02 hp 有些人一在朋友圈子里面更受欢迎,09-06 22:12:58-09-06 22:13:01Some people are more popular within their social circles.
150/335 295.41-297.06 aaa 他就开始贬低嘲讽你。09-06 22:12:59-09-06 22:13:00He started to belittle and mock you.
151/335 297.58-298.72 n 一个人刚赚了一点钱,09-06 22:13:00-09-06 22:13:02A person just earned a little money,
152/335 298.9-300.04 n 就开始突然对你说教,09-06 22:13:00-09-06 22:13:02Suddenly start to scold you,
153/335 300.43-302.32 aaa 把你不如他归结为你不够努力,09-06 22:13:01-09-06 22:13:03Attribute your failures to a lack of effort,
154/335 302.5-303.04 hp 不够自律。09-06 22:13:02-09-06 22:13:04Lack of self-discipline.
155/335 303.63-305.43 de 其实一个人不需要有多大的权利,09-06 22:13:03-09-06 22:13:41In fact, a person doesn't need to have much power.
156/335 305.73-307.23 n 只要位置稍微不对称,09-06 22:13:03-09-06 22:13:06As long as the position is slightly asymmetrical,
157/335 307.47-309.15 n 我们就能看到他真实的反应模式。09-06 22:13:04-09-06 22:13:06We can see his true reaction patterns.
158/335 309.45-310.29 aaa 但是大家注意哈,09-06 22:13:05-09-06 22:13:06But everyone, please pay attention to this.
159/335 310.47-312.27 xss 这里不是在区分好人跟坏人,09-06 22:13:05-09-06 22:13:41This is not about distinguishing good people from bad ones.
160/335 312.51-313.41 hp 我们不做道德审判,09-06 22:13:06-09-06 22:13:09We don't make moral judgments.
161/335 313.84-314.62 n 而是告诉大家,09-06 22:13:07-09-06 22:13:09Instead, I told everyone that...
162/335 315.12-319.14 n 权力变化是观察一个人行为是否稳定的最佳启发器。09-06 22:13:07-09-06 22:13:11Changes in power are the best indicators of whether a person's behavior is stable.
163/335 319.65-320.67 aaa 因为真正稳定的人,09-06 22:13:08-09-06 22:13:09Because true stability comes from,
164/335 320.85-321.39 n 地位上升,09-06 22:13:09-09-06 22:13:10Promotion,
165/335 321.69-322.29 hp 态度不会变,09-06 22:13:10-09-06 22:13:13Attitude will not change.
166/335 322.82-323.36 aaa 优势增加,09-06 22:13:11-09-06 22:13:11Advantages increased,
167/335 323.6-324.38 n 边界也不会乱。09-06 22:13:11-09-06 22:13:12No boundary.
168/335 324.81-325.65 n 因为对于他们来说,09-06 22:13:12-09-06 22:13:13Because for them,
169/335 325.95-328.11 aaa 权利不是自我价值的唯一来源,09-06 22:13:13-09-06 22:13:14Rights are not the sole source of self-worth.
170/335 328.29-329.73 n 而那些变化非常剧烈,09-06 22:13:13-09-06 22:13:15And these changes are very drastic.
171/335 329.97-331.29 hp 突然开始打击嘲讽、09-06 22:13:14-09-06 22:13:17Suddenly started to attack and ridicule,
172/335 331.59-332.07 n 羞辱的人,09-06 22:13:15-09-06 22:13:16The one who is humiliated,
173/335 332.25-333.45 bg 他们也不是忽然堕落,09-06 22:13:15-09-06 22:13:43They weren't suddenly corrupted,
174/335 333.75-336.45 de 而是他们一直没有稳定的内化的安全感。09-06 22:13:16-09-06 22:13:56However, they have never had a stable sense of internal security.
175/335 337.05-337.95 aaa 所以对于后者,09-06 22:13:17-09-06 22:13:18Therefore, for the latter.
176/335 338.19-343.22 n 我们可以预判他们未来的行为是一定会发生变形的那更进一步啊,09-06 22:13:17-09-06 22:13:22We can predict that their future behavior will definitely change, and this is even more so.
177/335 343.28-345.2 n 我们怎么预判一群人的行为呢?09-06 22:13:18-09-06 22:13:21How do we predict the behavior of a group?
178/335 345.57-346.77 hp 帮你进入一家新的公司,09-06 22:13:19-09-06 22:13:22Help you enter a new company,
179/335 347.01-347.549 aaa 新的团体,09-06 22:13:20-09-06 22:13:21New group,
180/335 348.1-351.16 aaa 你怎么判断这个地方会让你成长还是不易久留呢?09-06 22:13:22-09-06 22:13:26How to determine whether a place will help you grow or make it difficult for you to stay?
181/335 351.4-353.71 n 你听啊上个世纪八十年代的后期,09-06 22:13:23-09-06 22:13:26Listen, in the late 1980s...
182/335 354.01-357.25 n 萨布斯基在肯尼亚开始长期追踪一个新的狒狒团体。09-06 22:13:23-09-06 22:13:27Sabski began a long-term tracking of a new baboon troop in Kenya.
183/335 357.61-360.31 hp 有一天啊群体里面攻击性最强的那一波,09-06 22:13:24-09-06 22:13:28One day, a group of people were the most aggressive in the crowd.
184/335 360.43-363.43 hp 雄性狒狒组团去人类垃圾场里面找吃的,09-06 22:18:27-09-06 22:18:32A group of male baboons went to a human garbage dump in search of food.
185/335 363.85-367.27 aaa 结果不小心误食了被结核病感染的牛肉集体嘎了。09-06 22:13:27-09-06 22:13:30I accidentally ate beef that was infected with tuberculosis and it died.
186/335 367.61-368.27 n 那这么一来呢,09-06 22:13:28-09-06 22:13:30So, then...
187/335 368.39-370.55 n 群体里面就只剩下那些没有攻击性的、09-06 22:13:28-09-06 22:13:30In the group, only those who are not aggressive remain.
188/335 370.97-372.11 hp 温和的雄性狒狒了。09-06 22:13:30-09-06 22:13:33The male baboon was gentle.
189/335 372.49-373.69 n 在几个月的时间里,09-06 22:13:31-09-06 22:13:32In a few months,
190/335 373.99-374.89 aaa 打架消失了,09-06 22:13:32-09-06 22:13:33The fighting has stopped.
191/335 375.28-377.02 n 食物争夺的情况明显减少,09-06 22:13:32-09-06 22:13:35The situation of food scarcity has significantly decreased.
192/335 377.52-379.14 n 狒狒之间互相梳毛多了,09-06 22:13:33-09-06 22:13:35Monkeys groom each other more often.
193/335 379.52-380.9 aaa 整体的氛围变平和了。09-06 22:13:34-09-06 22:13:35The overall atmosphere has become more peaceful.
194/335 381.37-381.91 hp 两年之后,09-06 22:13:34-09-06 22:13:36Two years later,
195/335 382.21-384.07 n 新一批年轻的雄性狒狒加入,09-06 22:13:35-09-06 22:13:38A new batch of young male baboons has arrived.
196/335 384.31-385.03 n 按道理来讲,09-06 22:13:36-09-06 22:13:37According to the logic,
197/335 385.15-386.83 aaa 他们应该建立新的暴力秩序。09-06 22:13:37-09-06 22:13:38They should establish a new violent order.
198/335 387.23-388.49 hp 但是结果完全相反,09-06 22:13:37-09-06 22:13:41However, the result is completely opposite.
199/335 388.89-391.41 n 这些外来的雄性被整个群体同化,09-06 22:13:38-09-06 22:13:41These foreign males were assimilated into the entire group.
200/335 391.87-393.67 n 学会了这一套温和的社交方式。09-06 22:13:39-09-06 22:13:41Learned this gentle way of socializing.
201/335 394.15-395.89 aaa 这个观察一直持续了三十年。09-06 22:13:40-09-06 22:13:41This observation has been ongoing for thirty years.
202/335 396.35-397.67 xss 赛博斯基得出了一个结论,09-06 22:13:42-09-06 22:14:07Cyberpunk concluded that,
203/335 398.06-400.28 de 个体的行为跟他的品性关系不大,09-06 22:13:43-09-06 22:14:16An individual's behavior is not closely related to his character.
204/335 400.64-402.92 hp 而是系统长期奖励出来的结果。09-06 22:13:43-09-06 22:13:47The result is a long-term reward system.
205/335 403.34-405.8 n 那帮新来的雄性狒狒之所以能够变得温和,09-06 22:13:44-09-06 22:13:47The reason why the new male baboons were able to become docile,
206/335 406.41-407.7 aaa 不是因为他们本性善良,09-06 22:13:45-09-06 22:13:46It's not because they are inherently good,
207/335 408.13-410.56 n 而是因为现在的这个环境不再奖励攻击。09-06 22:13:45-09-06 22:13:48Instead, the current environment no longer rewards aggression.
208/335 411.01-412.66 bg 那这个例子如果放到我们人类世界,09-06 22:13:46-09-06 22:14:29So, if this example were applied to the human world,
209/335 412.84-416.0 aaa 你会发现啊为什么有些地方强硬的人更吃香,09-06 22:13:47-09-06 22:13:50You'll find that some people who are tough and assertive get more attention.
210/335 416.47-417.79 hp 不讲理的人升的更快,09-06 22:13:48-09-06 22:13:51People who don't follow rules rise faster.
211/335 418.09-420.07 n 会甩锅的人活的反而更安全呢?09-06 22:13:48-09-06 22:13:51Are people who shift blame actually safer in life?
212/335 420.5-422.27 n 是因为整个系统奖励攻击,09-06 22:13:49-09-06 22:13:51Because the entire system rewards attacks,
213/335 422.84-425.78 aaa 于是所有人就会被慢慢训练成同一种样子。09-06 22:13:52-09-06 22:13:54Therefore, everyone will be gradually trained to become the same.
214/335 426.25-427.45 n 不是因为大家想改变,09-06 22:13:52-09-06 22:13:55It's not because everyone wants to change,
215/335 427.75-428.89 n 而是因为你不变,09-06 22:13:53-09-06 22:13:56Instead, because you are unchanging.
216/335 429.13-430.87 hp 就活不下去萨布。09-06 22:13:54-09-06 22:13:57I can't do it anymore.
217/335 430.99-433.57 aaa 斯基把这种环境叫做慢性高压锅时,09-06 22:13:54-09-06 22:13:56When Skie calls this environment a "chronic pressure cooker,"
218/335 433.75-435.19 n 环境它有四个特点。09-06 22:13:57-09-06 22:13:58Environment has four characteristics.
219/335 435.62-436.58 n 第一点不可预测,09-06 22:13:58-09-06 22:13:59First, it is unpredictable.
220/335 436.88-438.62 de 你永远不知道哪一句话会踩雷,09-06 22:13:58-09-06 22:14:19You never know which sentence will trigger a problem.
221/335 438.86-439.94 aaa 哪一件事会被追责。09-06 22:13:59-09-06 22:14:00What will be held accountable.
222/335 440.24-441.26 hp 人一旦无法预测,09-06 22:14:00-09-06 22:14:02A person is unpredictable.
223/335 441.38-444.26 n 未来神经系统就会长期处在一个警戒的状态。09-06 22:14:00-09-06 22:14:03The future nervous system will be in a state of constant alert.
224/335 444.81-445.17 n 第二点,09-06 22:14:01-09-06 22:14:02Second,
225/335 445.41-446.13 aaa 缺乏控制感,09-06 22:14:02-09-06 22:14:03Lack of control,
226/335 446.58-447.24 n 你很努力,09-06 22:14:03-09-06 22:14:04You are hardworking,
227/335 447.42-448.68 hp 但是努力得不到回报,09-06 22:14:04-09-06 22:14:07But hard work doesn't always lead to rewards.
228/335 449.04-450.48 aaa 行为就会慢慢开始失控。09-06 22:14:04-09-06 22:14:06Once you start, it's hard to stop.
229/335 451.03-451.39 n 第三点,09-06 22:14:05-09-06 22:14:06Third point,
230/335 451.69-452.11 n 付出无效。09-06 22:14:06-09-06 22:14:07No results.
231/335 452.6-454.25 n 你加班忍让妥协,09-06 22:14:07-09-06 22:14:08You endure and compromise, working overtime.
232/335 454.55-455.69 aaa 但是回报是随机的。09-06 22:14:07-09-06 22:14:09However, the returns are random.
233/335 456.16-458.079 n 久而久之呢大脑就会学会一件事,09-06 22:14:08-09-06 22:14:10Eventually, the brain will learn a thing.
234/335 458.44-459.04 xss 不如算了,09-06 22:14:09-09-06 22:14:24Forget it,
235/335 459.22-459.7 hp 不如躺平,09-06 22:14:09-09-06 22:14:11Instead of struggling,
236/335 459.94-460.54 n 反正都一样。09-06 22:14:10-09-06 22:14:11Well, it's all the same.
237/335 461.1-461.52 aaa 第四点,09-06 22:14:11-09-06 22:14:11Fourth point,
238/335 461.7-462.6 n 缺乏社会支持,09-06 22:14:11-09-06 22:14:12Lack of social support,
239/335 463.16-463.7 aaa 出了问题,09-06 22:14:12-09-06 22:14:13There's a problem.
240/335 463.88-465.23 hp 没有人兜底错误,09-06 22:14:13-09-06 22:14:15No one makes a mistake.
241/335 465.29-466.13 n 被无限放大,09-06 22:14:14-09-06 22:14:15Exaggerated to the extreme,
242/335 466.43-467.27 n 没有人同情你,09-06 22:14:15-09-06 22:14:16No one sympathizes with you,
243/335 467.51-467.87 aaa 支持你,09-06 22:14:15-09-06 22:14:16Support you,
244/335 468.36-471.12 n 人在这种环境下就会本能的变得防御、09-06 22:14:16-09-06 22:14:18In such an environment, people will instinctively become defensive.
245/335 471.54-471.72 hp 冷漠、09-06 22:14:17-09-06 22:14:19Indifference,
246/335 472.08-472.26 n 功利。09-06 22:14:18-09-06 22:14:18Utility.
247/335 472.82-475.52 de 所以啊当我们判断一个群体的未来行为的时候,09-06 22:14:18-09-06 22:14:57So, when we are trying to predict the future behavior of a group,
248/335 475.84-477.55 aaa 不要只看这些人人品好不好,09-06 22:14:19-09-06 22:14:24Don't just look at whether these people are good or not,
249/335 477.73-480.19 n 而是看他们在被什么样的系统塑造。09-06 22:14:20-09-06 22:14:24Instead, we should look at how they are being shaped by certain systems.
250/335 480.6-481.92 n 因为在慢性高压锅里,09-06 22:14:20-09-06 22:14:24Because it was cooked in a pressure cooker for an extended period of time,
251/335 482.34-483.42 hp 好人也会变得冷漠,09-06 22:14:21-09-06 22:14:24Good people can also become indifferent.
252/335 483.72-485.16 de 温和的人也会学会攻击,09-06 22:14:22-09-06 22:14:44Even gentle people can learn to attack.
253/335 485.61-487.05 hp 理性的人也会变得极端,09-06 22:19:26-09-06 22:19:29Rational people can also become extreme.
254/335 487.35-489.69 n 所以遇到这种环境尽早远离,09-06 22:14:26-09-06 22:14:28Therefore, it is best to avoid such environments as soon as possible.
255/335 489.93-491.79 aaa 不要觉得自己是不是不够有耐力,09-06 22:14:26-09-06 22:14:30Don't think you don't have enough patience.
256/335 492.37-494.47 hp 任何大脑在这种环境下都会变形。09-06 22:14:27-09-06 22:14:30Any brain in this environment will be deformed.
257/335 495.24-496.26 n 不知道大家有没有发现啊,09-06 22:14:27-09-06 22:14:29Have you guys noticed?
258/335 496.5-500.36 xss 上面我说的三个故事没有一次在讨论好人和坏人。09-06 22:14:28-09-06 22:15:18In the three stories I mentioned above, there was no discussion of good and evil.
259/335 500.75-502.97 n 萨波斯基真正让我觉得震撼的地方就在于,09-06 22:14:29-09-06 22:14:32What truly impressed me about Pushkin was,
260/335 503.41-504.13 n 他告诉我们,09-06 22:14:30-09-06 22:14:31He told us,
261/335 504.49-508.39 bg 人的行为和道德品质的关系远远比我们以为的要小得多。09-06 22:14:30-09-06 22:15:28The relationship between human behavior and moral qualities is much less significant than we think.
262/335 508.69-510.97 hp 你看啊法官会被血糖的水平左右,09-06 22:14:31-09-06 22:14:37I see, the judge's decision can be influenced by their blood sugar level.
263/335 511.39-513.61 aaa 个体会在权力变化的时候迅速变形。09-06 22:14:33-09-06 22:14:37Individuals quickly adapt to changes in power.
264/335 514.17-515.73 n 群体会被大环境塑造,09-06 22:14:34-09-06 22:14:37Groups are shaped by the environment,
265/335 516.21-517.71 n 从头到尾他都没有说一句,09-06 22:14:34-09-06 22:14:37He didn't say a word from beginning to end.
266/335 517.95-518.79 n 这个人是坏的,09-06 22:14:37-09-06 22:14:38This person is bad.
267/335 519.03-520.54 aaa 那个人是懒汉他不行,09-06 22:14:38-09-06 22:14:40That person is a lazy one, he can't do it.
268/335 520.66-521.62 n 是因为他不够努力。09-06 22:14:39-09-06 22:14:40Because he didn't work hard enough.
269/335 522.04-523.42 hp 因为在萨布斯基的世界里,09-06 22:14:39-09-06 22:14:43Because in Sabski's world,
270/335 523.78-526.42 n 人类几乎没有任何一个行为是凭空发生的。09-06 22:14:40-09-06 22:14:43Humans don't have any behavior that happens out of nowhere.
271/335 526.6-528.76 n 他提出了一个非常反直觉的观点,09-06 22:14:41-09-06 22:14:43He proposed a very counterintuitive point.
272/335 529.25-533.27 aaa 人在任何一个时间尺度上都不存在真正意义上的自主选择。09-06 22:14:41-09-06 22:14:43Humans do not have true autonomous choice at any time scale.
273/335 533.73-536.91 hp 你做的每一个决定都来自于前一秒的神经兴奋。09-06 22:14:44-09-06 22:14:48Every decision you make is based on the neural excitation of the previous second.
274/335 537.26-538.52 n 前一天的睡眠质量,09-06 22:14:45-09-06 22:14:47The quality of sleep the day before.
275/335 538.76-539.78 n 前几个月的压力,09-06 22:14:45-09-06 22:14:47The pressure from the past few months,
276/335 540.08-541.7 aaa 十几年前形成的神经回路,09-06 22:14:46-09-06 22:14:47The neural circuits that formed a decade ago,
277/335 541.94-544.7 de 甚至你没出生之前母体激素水平的变化。09-06 22:14:47-09-06 22:15:32Even the hormonal changes in your mother's body before you were born.
278/335 545.13-546.81 n 它有一句流传非常广的名言。09-06 22:14:47-09-06 22:14:49It has a very famous saying.
279/335 547.23-548.73 n 如果你早出生三十分钟,09-06 22:14:48-09-06 22:14:50If you were born 30 minutes earlier,
280/335 548.91-550.53 aaa 你的整个性格可能都会不同,09-06 22:14:49-09-06 22:14:50Your entire personality could be different,
281/335 550.95-552.15 hp 因为母体的荷尔蒙、09-06 22:14:49-09-06 22:14:52Due to maternal hormones,
282/335 552.62-555.02 n 神经发育压力都会发生微妙的变化,09-06 22:14:50-09-06 22:14:52Subtle changes in neurodevelopmental stress will occur.
283/335 555.39-556.32 aaa 那很多人就会说了,09-06 22:14:51-09-06 22:14:52Many people say that,
284/335 556.68-557.46 n 如果真的是这样,09-06 22:14:51-09-06 22:14:53If that's really the case,
285/335 557.58-558.9 hp 那我努力还有什么意义呢?09-06 22:14:52-09-06 22:14:56What's the point of my efforts?
286/335 559.02-560.16 aaa 那我还要奋斗干什么?09-06 22:14:53-09-06 22:14:54What's the point of struggling?
287/335 560.46-563.28 n 但是这个正是我觉得萨博斯基最深刻的地方。09-06 22:14:54-09-06 22:14:56But this is exactly what I find most profound about Saborski.
288/335 563.63-563.93 n 他说,09-06 22:14:54-09-06 22:14:55He said,
289/335 564.48-568.5 n 当你理解到其实我们没有所谓的自由意志和自由选择的时候,09-06 22:19:56-09-06 22:19:59When you realize that we actually don't have free will and the freedom to choose,
290/335 568.74-569.76 aaa 你才不会去恨自己,09-06 22:14:56-09-06 22:14:57You won't hate yourself,
291/335 569.94-571.2 n 你也不会再去恨别人,09-06 22:14:56-09-06 22:14:58You won't hate others anymore.
292/335 571.6-573.04 hp 你会真正的松一口气。09-06 22:14:57-09-06 22:14:59You will truly relax.
293/335 573.4-575.68 n 因为我们不是站在同一起跑线上,09-06 22:14:58-09-06 22:14:59Because we are not starting from the same point.
294/335 575.98-578.8 de 而是被推到那里之后才开始做选择的。09-06 22:14:58-09-06 22:15:30Instead, they only start making choices after being pushed there.
295/335 579.29-580.67 aaa 我们很多人这辈子都在自责,09-06 22:14:59-09-06 22:15:01Many of us have been blaming ourselves for our entire lives.
296/335 580.97-581.93 n 为什么我这么焦虑?09-06 22:15:00-09-06 22:15:01Why am I so anxious?
297/335 582.29-583.43 n 为什么我谈不好恋爱?09-06 22:15:00-09-06 22:15:02Why can't I have a good relationship?
298/335 583.67-585.05 hp 为什么别人可以我不行,09-06 22:15:01-09-06 22:15:05Why can others do it, but I can't?
299/335 585.61-586.81 aaa 是不是因为我不够自律,09-06 22:15:02-09-06 22:15:03Am I not disciplined enough?
300/335 587.22-587.55 n 不够狠,09-06 22:15:03-09-06 22:15:03Not tough enough,
301/335 587.85-588.21 n 不够强。09-06 22:15:03-09-06 22:15:04Not strong enough.
302/335 588.63-591.05 aaa 萨布斯基给出的答案是你不是不够好。09-06 22:15:04-09-06 22:15:06The answer that Sabski gives you is that you are not good enough.
303/335 591.23-593.39 n 你是在用一个被创伤塑形的大脑,09-06 22:15:05-09-06 22:15:08You are using a brain that has been shaped by trauma,
304/335 593.87-596.33 n 在一个并不友善的系统里努力的活着,09-06 22:15:05-09-06 22:15:08Struggling to live in a hostile system,
305/335 596.7-597.69 hp 而不再去恨别人,09-06 22:15:06-09-06 22:15:08But no longer hate others.
306/335 597.87-600.78 aaa 是因为你会发现别人的行为也不是凭空发生的。09-06 22:15:07-09-06 22:15:09Because you will find that other people's behavior is not random.
307/335 601.18-604.3 n 那个人之所以冷漠控制逃避商人,09-06 22:15:09-09-06 22:15:13The reason why that person is cold and controlling, avoiding merchants.
308/335 604.54-605.62 n 不是因为他故意这样,09-06 22:15:09-09-06 22:15:13It wasn't because he did it on purpose.
309/335 605.92-607.99 hp 而且他根本没有能力成为你以为的那个人。09-06 22:15:10-09-06 22:15:15And he simply doesn't have the ability to be the person you think he is.
310/335 608.31-610.289 aaa 这个不是让我们为别人的行为找理由,09-06 22:15:11-09-06 22:15:13This is not to excuse the actions of others,
311/335 610.59-610.83 n 原谅,09-06 22:15:14-09-06 22:15:14Excuse me,
312/335 611.01-611.61 n 伤害我们的人,09-06 22:15:14-09-06 22:15:15Those who hurt us,
313/335 611.92-613.96 aaa 而是让自己不再被仇恨困住,09-06 22:15:15-09-06 22:15:18Instead, let yourself not be trapped by hatred.
314/335 614.49-616.409 n 能够彻底的从关系当中抽离,09-06 22:15:16-09-06 22:15:17To completely withdraw from a relationship,
315/335 616.65-617.31 hp 继续往前走。09-06 22:15:16-09-06 22:15:18Keep going.
316/335 617.88-620.52 n 而萨博斯基最让我浑身起鸡皮疙瘩的点,09-06 22:15:17-09-06 22:15:20What really makes me shiver is Saborsky's,
317/335 620.7-622.32 n 是我最近有一天走在路上的时候,09-06 22:15:18-09-06 22:15:21One day, I was walking on the road when...
318/335 622.38-626.5 aaa 我忽然之间意识到的就是我们越是明白自己其实没有选择,09-06 22:15:19-09-06 22:15:24I suddenly realized that the more we understand that we actually have no choice,
319/335 626.86-629.02 xss 我们越是能获得一点点真正的自由。09-06 22:15:19-09-06 22:15:46The more freedom we can obtain.
320/335 629.44-631.36 hp 因为这个你忽然之间的明白,09-06 22:15:20-09-06 22:15:23Because of this sudden understanding,
321/335 631.66-634.0 n 会在你和你的行为之间产生一个停顿。09-06 22:15:21-09-06 22:15:24It will create a pause between you and your actions.
322/335 634.37-635.66 n 你会出现一秒钟的犹豫,09-06 22:15:22-09-06 22:15:24You will have a moment of hesitation,
323/335 635.84-636.86 hp 不会马上爆炸,09-06 22:15:25-09-06 22:15:28It won't explode immediately.
324/335 637.16-638.36 n 马上重复旧的模式,09-06 22:15:25-09-06 22:15:27Immediately repeat the old pattern,
325/335 638.77-639.91 aaa 不会立刻伤害别人,09-06 22:15:26-09-06 22:15:28Will not immediately harm others,
326/335 640.09-640.57 n 伤害自己。09-06 22:15:27-09-06 22:15:28Self-harm.
327/335 641.06-643.94 n 而这一秒钟就是人类能拥有的全部自由。09-06 22:15:27-09-06 22:15:30And this one second is all the freedom that humans can have.
328/335 644.48-646.52 hp 当我们能把这一秒尽量拉长一点,09-06 22:15:28-09-06 22:15:32When we can extend this second as much as possible,
329/335 646.7-648.62 n 你就不再是被过去推着走的人,09-06 22:15:29-09-06 22:15:33You are no longer a person who is being pushed by the past,
330/335 648.86-650.3 bg 而是一个拥有了自由的人。09-06 22:15:30-09-06 22:16:01And he became a man with freedom.
331/335 650.83-652.15 aaa 最后想问大家一个问题啊,09-06 22:15:30-09-06 22:15:34Finally, I want to ask everyone a question:
332/335 652.47-655.49 de 你是什么时候开始意识到原来很多事情不是你不够好,09-06 22:15:31-09-06 22:16:06When did you start realizing that many things are not because of your shortcomings?
333/335 655.73-657.11 n 而是你真的已经尽力了呢?09-06 22:15:33-09-06 22:15:35Have you really tried your best?
334/335 657.49-658.51 n 想听听大家的看法,09-06 22:15:34-09-06 22:15:36I would like to hear everyone's opinions.
335/335 658.63-659.29 de 我们一起讨论。09-06 22:15:34-09-06 22:15:48Let's discuss.